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FBI goes back to 9mm with Glock
guns.com ^ | June 30, 2016 | Daniel Terrill

Posted on 06/30/2016 3:44:49 PM PDT by PROCON

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To: PROCON

I have shot Glocks a bunch,
I still like my Kimber.
Lot of Glocks out there though


21 posted on 06/30/2016 4:03:02 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (Go Trump, Give em hell BABY.)
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To: PROCON

RE Gen 4:

They did a really nice job with it. Grip feels nice. Not as fat as my older one.

But... the older girl just rests in the hand nicely.

Wifey likes the Gen 4 better. So, when we do the range, she likes to shoot that one. Good with it, too.


22 posted on 06/30/2016 4:04:24 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: PROCON

I have been known to have a trunk gun though. AK with 5 or 6 loaded mags in a cloth grocery bag.


23 posted on 06/30/2016 4:05:07 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

With some of the weak 10-mm factory loads this is somewhat true. But not so when you are using the loads like I do. No way does a 9-mm even +P+ come close to the real hot original Norma 10-mm loads like I do which are in the 41 Magnum equivalency. It is over 40% more muzzle energy and can handle 200 grain slugs. The 9-mm +P+ can just about get 500 ft.lbs but can only propel 147 grains at the most. Bullet weight has a lot to do with terminal ballistics.


24 posted on 06/30/2016 4:05:37 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: PROCON

I guess Glocks are fine, I just don’t like the feel of them. Which is a pretty important thing for a gun owner, but at the same time is not necessarily a criticism of Glocks as such.


25 posted on 06/30/2016 4:06:04 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: Farmer Dean

I keep coming back to the model 19 because of the round it chambers.

I wish Sig and HK would compete against each other for a compact semiauto in .357. The results would be awesome, incredible, gaga-goo-goo for quality gun lovers.


26 posted on 06/30/2016 4:06:43 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: PROCON

I did read an in depth piece on how / why the switch to 9mm came about. Logical move IMO.


27 posted on 06/30/2016 4:07:28 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: NFHale

Hadn’t seen those. Kinda cool.


28 posted on 06/30/2016 4:08:22 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: PROCON

I’m about to learn me some shootin with a Springfield XDM 9mm. Have heard some great things about it. The owner of said gun is the most accurate shooter at his range.


29 posted on 06/30/2016 4:08:25 PM PDT by Paradox (Opinions can evolve, but Principles should be immutable.)
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To: gundog

It’s a nice little piece. I’ve had mine for while. Nice to have a wheelgun that uses the same ammo. Got it used a few years ago.


30 posted on 06/30/2016 4:09:48 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: PROCON

My G-17 disagrees. :-)


31 posted on 06/30/2016 4:10:11 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: DarthVader

Modern 9mm has 5p% expansion.....for a .355 this means the caliber is actually. 5325 once it hits flash and expands. Any increase in caliber size does little additional damage. You can think it does, but in reality a .5325 caliber is about as effective as a 60 caliber.


32 posted on 06/30/2016 4:11:32 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: PROCON

My G-17 disagrees. :-)


33 posted on 06/30/2016 4:11:57 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red in Blue PA

5p% = 50%


34 posted on 06/30/2016 4:11:58 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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I love my original 19, incredibly reliable, easy to disassemble and clean, and durable, but the one weakness is the frame is so light, as the mag empties the balance changes quite dramatically, and you have to learn to compensate for it.


35 posted on 06/30/2016 4:12:59 PM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: PROCON
New California compliant subcompact, low capacity Glock. SubCompact photo SubCompact_zps1kp1fqgr.jpg
36 posted on 06/30/2016 4:13:06 PM PDT by umgud (ban muslims, not guns)
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To: PROCON
According to the American Rifleman, initially, the change was to a Smith & Wesson Model 1076 chambered in 10mm, which is on par with .40 caliber. But the results were poor and the agency replaced it with Sig 226 as a temporary fix. In 1997, the FBI officially adopted Glock .40 S&W pistols as the service pistol for agents.

Why were the results poor?

10mm is a good round, but I can see how some people wouldn't be able to handle it.

The 40 S&W is basically a 10mm with a smaller cartridge (and less powder, and less recoil). I'm not sure why they are abandoning that.

I've shot a 40 S&W all day in competition. In a full-size gun, it's easy to handle. It can be a handful in a sub-compact handgun, but I'm referring to the G-27. The G-23 is the compact (same size as the G-19) the FBI was using, and a good balance between size and recoil.

The G-23 has two less rounds in the magazine, but I'm not sure why that would be an issue. I can swap magazines as almost as fast as I would be shooting outside a competition.

The article claims "30 years of ballistic improvements" to the 9mm. What exactly would this be, and does it include higher-pressure loading that would have as much recoil as the 40 S&W?

37 posted on 06/30/2016 4:15:07 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Well, you know as well as I do that there are many other fine handguns out there, the article just happens to be about Glocks.


38 posted on 06/30/2016 4:15:23 PM PDT by PROCON (Americans First or Terrorists First - Choose in November)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Try hunting a 400 lb boar with a 9-mm +P+ and see how fast you kill it. You will likely have to empty the magazine and end up getting mauled. The 10-mm does it with one or two shots. Weight makes a big difference as it is constrained by F=ma which never fails to prove itself true. Bigger bullets like any other projectiles do much greater damage to tissue or hardened structures.


39 posted on 06/30/2016 4:16:41 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: NFHale

I just picked up a Gen 4 21 .45. I am looking forward to shooting it!


40 posted on 06/30/2016 4:16:57 PM PDT by Man from Oz
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