Posted on 06/30/2016 3:44:49 PM PDT by PROCON
The Federal Bureau of Investigation awarded Glock an $85 million contract to produce 9mm handguns for the better part of a decade, according to the notice published Wednesday.
The contract marks a milestone in the history of FBI weapons as the agency famously ditched 9mm in the mid-1980s for a larger .40-caliber handgun. The return comes after 30 years of ballistic improvements to 9mm ammunition.
The contract covers five items that include a compact pistol, a full-size pistol, an inert training pistol, a Simunition training pistol, and replacement parts, according to the solicitation.
Specifications in the solicitation suggest Glock will be supplying the FBI with a Glock 19 compact and a Glock 17 for the full-size pistol.
Initial requests included a compact pistol with a barrel length between 3.75-4.25 inches, a minimum 14-round capacity, and night sights. And the full-size with a barrel 4.26-5.2 inches, minimum mag capacity of 16 rounds and night sights.
The FBI estimates spending between $20 million to $85 million in the next 10 years under the contact.
While the price may seem excessive, the contract may also equip 10 federal law enforcement agencies — ATF, DEA, U.S. Marshals, etc — and the Office of Inspector General for all federal agencies.
The caliber change comes 30 years after the agency’s high-profile response (dramatic among handgun aficionados) to a shootout that ended with the deaths of two agents who were essentially outgunned. The agency formally switched from revolvers to semi-auto pistols.
According to the American Rifleman, initially, the change was to a Smith & Wesson Model 1076 chambered in 10mm, which is on par with .40 caliber. But the results were poor and the agency replaced it with Sig 226 as a temporary fix. In 1997, the FBI officially adopted Glock .40 S&W pistols as the service pistol for agents.
RE 1911:
Well, yeah... HELL yeah, actually. It’s a FINE handgun. I carried one for years before going to the G19.
John Browning (Peace Be Upon Him) was a true American genius and hero.
I'm not phobic but I'm still waiting for the BHP to be improved on.
And I'll keep waiting.
“they list a .357 load with their Power Pro 300-MP powder and Speer 125 grain Gold dot that shows 2000fps.”
Dang! That’s as good as a carbine velocity. I’ve never played with the 300MP, but I’ve read it’s similar, if not a bit slower burning, than the H110 I frequently use.
“If things get bad I’ve got a registered sear pack for the 91.”
Is it controllable when in use? That is, without a bipod?
I’m a 296/H110 user too.I’ve got to get some 300-MP and try it.These newer powders are great.
The finest female handgun instructor I know personally carries the earlier XD version, also in a 9mm, and she most certainly knows what she's doing.
While some of the male instructors at the range where she teaches think they're better or faster pistol shots, I've seen the morgue photos of the goof who made the error of thinking she was an easy victim. First mistake.
When she had a shotgun available. Last mistake.
I have no doubt that she'd have done just as well with her XD. For a while a couple of years back it was a little hard to find replacement parts and holsters for the XD/ XDM. No longer.
Out of some 12,800 Agents [the number last time I looked, maybe more now, no matter] There'll be a percentage of real serious shooters, former military or police shooters, and those who just take well to one-on-one shooting instruction and then apply the lessons to their own efforts. That'll be around 10%-15% of those involved.
And likewise, you'll have those with no experience at all and who due to ingrained fear or mechanical ineptitude or clumsiness who cannot shoot their way past the qualification course with a box of pencils. It used to be they'd wash out; no longer. Once again, atound 10-15 per cent.
In between, most will be report takers, summary writers and otherwise paper shufflers; it's one reason why former librarian J. Edgar Hoover required law or accounting degrees of his recruits and baby agents. And for most, it'll never matter. But for the following, it did:
FBI Agents Killed as the Result of an Adversarial Action
- Edwin C. Shanahan [October 11, 1925]
- Paul E. Reynolds
- Raymond J. Caffrey
- W. Carter Baum
- Samuel P. Cowley
- Herman E. Hollis
- Nelson B. Klein
- Wimberly W. Baker
- Truett E. Rowe
- William R. Ramsey
- Hubert J. Treacy, Jr.
- Joseph J. Brock
- John Brady Murphy
- Richard Purcell Horan
- Terry R. Anderson
- Douglas M. Price
- Anthony Palmisano
- Edwin R. Woodriffe
- Gregory W. Spinelli
- Jack R. Coler
- Ronald A. Williams
- Johnnie L. Oliver
- Charles W. Elmore
- Jared Robert Porter
- Robin L. Ahrens
- Jerry L. Dove
- Benjamin P. Grogan
- L. Douglas Abram
- John L. Bailey
- Martha Dixon Martinez
- Michael John Miller
- William Christian, Jr.
- Charles Leo Reed
- Leonard W. Hatton
- Barry Lee Bush
- Samuel S. Hicks [November 19, 2008]
You're half correct. Not too much for the women, but excessive for the 9mm-frame sized guns in which they were using the cartridge, the Glock 22 large frame or Glock 23 medium. Depending on the frequency of qualification and other shooting training, the guns were being beaten apart in a few thousand rounds; this has been known since at least 2006 when the Indiana State Police noted the problem with their SWAT team guns.
I’m a huge fan of those Springfields. I’ve got an XD and an XDS, both in .45. They have the reliability of a Glock but have the same grip angle as a 1911.
What’s not to like?
The trigger is a whole better than Glock, too.
L
In a rational nation there would be a statue of John Moses in every town square.
L
John Moses.
He wasn't THAT great.
I’ve seen that upper conversion on the web, looks like a hoot to shoot!
All we have is black bear and mountain lions, I decided 10mm was adequate for what we have around here and quit worrying. Before I bought the G20, I did work up some pretty stout 45 super loads for the 625. I had some 255 grain bullets over 1100fps, but I was afraid some of them would eventually find their way into one of the autos so I shot them up and bought the 10mm. Even with 15 rounds the G20 is lighter and more compact.
yes it is... brave woman right there
Bet I’ve run 10,000 +/_ rounds (thank you for your tax dollars) of 357SIG carry 124gr Speer GDHP and Speer lawman range ammo through my Glock 31 in the last ten years ..... still pew pew pew em out like new...... albeit my first and only modification was a barsto barrel with a supported chamber .....
Clean mine in a sonic bath soak over night after shooting , add drops of nanolube from sinclair to the friction points. Done !
Kick the tires, light the fires !
Tough as nails, that girl... One of the good ones, for sure.
Just so; one reason the XD 9mm works nicely for me as well.
What’s not to like?
The place of origin is Croatia, meaning parts supply could be cut off at a EuroWhim and the several variety of models/calibers parts do not interchange complicates matters. But taken into account and dealt with as a squirrel does his nuts, no big deal.
The trigger is a whole better than Glock, too.
Concur.
I guess you could break a spring or wear out a barrel, maybe, if you fired 20,000 rounds and never cleaned it once. Or ran over it with a tank.
And I have a feeling if the Eurotwits cut off parts about 40 domestic manufacturers would grab that opportunity by the short ones.
Best,
L
I presume you are familiar with the Canadian efforts in that direction in the 1950s, which gave us the .45 Winchester Magnum autopistol cartridge. It was to be used in a reengineered Browning GP derived handgun available in either a handgun or stocked pistol/autocarbine version.
Close. I've had a M1911A1 that was run over by a M113 APC on a concrete paved road. The young lieutenant hung his shoulder holster on the light guard on the right side opposite the driver, and likely didn't have the thumb strap snapped. The driver had to move the track, and CRUNCH.
Ruined the grips, and dinged up the rear sight. Took me about five minutes to fix for a VERY nervous new platoon leader, who thought I was the bestest armorer ever.
I’ll bet he did!
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