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Is This the West’s Weimar Moment?
The New York Times ^ | 5/31/2016 | Jochen Bittner

Posted on 05/31/2016 8:06:01 AM PDT by Beave Meister

Hamburg, Germany — WE Germans can never escape the trauma of our recent history. That has rarely been clearer than today, as we look around our Continent and across the Atlantic. There are almost too many differences to mention between what happened in the 1930s over here and what is going on today. And it goes without saying that Donald J. Trump and Austria’s Norbert Hofer are not Adolf Hitler. Still, Germany’s slide into a popular embrace of authoritarianism in the 1930s offers a frame for understanding how liberal democracies can suddenly turn toward anti-liberalism.

Setting aside debate about whether the rise of Nazism was built into the German DNA, there were four trends that led the country to reject its post-World War I constitutional, parliamentary democracy, known as the Weimar Republic: economic depression, loss of trust in institutions, social humiliation and political blunder. To a certain degree, these trends can be found across the West today.

First, the history. The Black Friday stock-market collapse of 1929 set off a global depression. As bad as things were in America, they were even worse in Germany, where industrial production shrank by half in the following three years. Stocks lost two-thirds of their value. Inflation and unemployment skyrocketed. The Weimar government, already held in low esteem by many Germans, seemed to have no clue about what to do.

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The world is giving up on liberal democracy because it's turned in globalization. Liberals today want to change the world into one big gigantic post office.
1 posted on 05/31/2016 8:06:01 AM PDT by Beave Meister
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2 posted on 05/31/2016 8:08:13 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Never Killary!)
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To: Beave Meister
"...We Germans can never escape the trauma of our recent history...

Why not? Do the elites have a vested interest in consistently debasing your culture so as to create a sense of guilt and self loathing, because it serves their agenda?

Because I think they do.

3 posted on 05/31/2016 8:09:16 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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The sad thing is that they buy into it. If they didn’t, Germany would never have been taken over by Turks and Syrians.


4 posted on 05/31/2016 8:10:34 AM PDT by gr8eman (Don't waste your energy trying to understand commies. Use it to defeat them!)
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“Because I think they do. “

Yep, guilt is very good when you’re trying to control people. It only works on Westerners though.


5 posted on 05/31/2016 8:16:41 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Partisan Media Shills Alert!

Foreign Media Nitwit Alert!

Demagogue Alert!


6 posted on 05/31/2016 8:25:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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I think the Japanese know their fair share of guilt also. But unlike the Germans, the press & media haven’t harped on them as much.


7 posted on 05/31/2016 8:28:39 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (God is a racist! Get over it snowflakes. Deuteronomy 7:6-8; Romans 9:13-15)
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To: Beave Meister

So backwards.

Crazy leftists think being against importing today’s equivalent of the Nazis in to your country is being like the Nazis.

Up is down. Good is evil. Night is day.


8 posted on 05/31/2016 8:31:02 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Beave Meister
Who was it again conducting "Kristallnacht" operations in Ferguson, MO?


9 posted on 05/31/2016 8:41:25 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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I wonder why so many black males are homosexual.

That is why they expose their underpants and rear-ends to us right?


10 posted on 05/31/2016 8:49:31 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale FL (zombie land). TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: Beave Meister
Overall a surprisngly good piece, not only because it's coming from the left-wing Die Zeit but also because he calls out the "social humiliation" factor, best represented by the "gay matrriage" decision nad the trans-gender lunacy being rammed down everyone's throats by an incompetent and corrupt elite.

The main point he misses is that the elites can act this way right now because the regimes in the West now are not particularly democratic-- there seems instead to be a worldwide convergence towards corrupt, kleptocratic authoritarian regimes.

11 posted on 05/31/2016 9:07:32 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Beave Meister

” Germany’s slide into a popular embrace of authoritarianism in the 1930s “

Note the only thing I see coming out of Trump’s mouth that could be construed as “authoritarian” is per immigration. That is not authoritarian, that is establishing order along constitutional lines.

In fact, today, given the amount of government authority and its abuse of it, you can hardly describe the U.S. as “liberal”.


12 posted on 05/31/2016 9:29:52 AM PDT by fruser1
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The majority of European countries in the 1930s were “authoritarian.”


13 posted on 05/31/2016 9:31:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pierrem15
...there seems instead to be a worldwide convergence towards corrupt, kleptocratic authoritarian regimes.

That's been the norm throughout human history, now hasn't it?

14 posted on 05/31/2016 10:51:31 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Beave Meister

Anytime there is a breath of nationalism or a desire for national sovereignty, out come the cries of Nazi/Fascist/Rasist/Xenophobe. I think they have a key on their typewriters that has that phrase on it, just to save time.
Screw the foreign owned NY Times.


15 posted on 05/31/2016 12:59:00 PM PDT by The Continental Op
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