Or the Black flag Roach Motel.
Posted on 05/13/2016 1:18:26 PM PDT by GraceG
I have been reading about the periodical votes the Texas legislature makes about secession and pondered on it a while and thought a bit about it and came up with a few things.
1. We have a set of procedures for adding a state to the union in the Constitution.
2. We don't have any set of procedures if a majority of a state's population want to no longer be part of a union.
3. If the formation of the country was the voluntary gathering of states to form the union in the first place, then wouldn't forcing a state to stay against the majority of it's inhabitant's will essentially by tyranny?
4. If you added a process for a state to leave you would by default make that process be somewhat harder than if a territory wanted to become a state. Say for instance Saskatchewan was able to leave Canada peacefully, but then after a while wanted to become a state of the United States, if they wanted to leave later you would want an ever greater majority to on the vote to leave than the vote to join.
5. The civil was was caused by the illegal actions and military actions of the southern states ganging up, forming their own country illegally and then attacking the north. (though there is still some debate who fired first). If there had been a legal process and procedure for states to leave and then later form the confederacy, would the civil war had been averted if they had in that case "stuck to procedure" ?
6. Does a government body that has a process for admittance of smaller entities, but doesn't have any process for them leaving. Does that make that government a Tyranny by default? Does this make the United States a Tyranny by definition? What about the European Union? What about NATO, or the UN even?
Just some pondering about the very nature of "Unions" in the Nation-State sense.
Debt at $19.26 TRILLION and rising fast. This is not going to end well at all.
I just want to make you aware that I BEAT YOU BY 11 SECONDS!!!
HA!!!!!
[ Go ahead. Leave.
I hope your social security is all paid up, because I will be using it.
Thanks. Bye. ]
That was funny right there!
So, legally you can’t leave?... by who’s laws? Easy solution, the state passes a law that says the Fed Gov’t laws are illegal-null-and-void, and the state can write a law that says it can leave - that simple!
You leave, and suffer the consequences, which equals civil war against a bunch of pussies, dykes and trannies. All other soldier in the military will want to side with the state. done!
[ Didn’t you recall the Pledge of Alligence?
“....Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all....”
Of course we will have to update that to today’s standards. ]
The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a jack-wagon big government progressive in the late 1800’s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
Bellamy was a “christian SOCIALIST minister”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy#Political_views
Enjoy!
Yes it was. It was a United States federal installation that was illegally seized by insurrectionists.
When the states ratified the constitution, several (including VA and NY) included provisions saying that they “declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” So basically then, the way to exit the union would be the same as you enter it: a ratification by the legislature of the state. People will say that Lincoln settled this issue by his coercive war, but in the end the Fed gov simply had the seceding states renounce their right to secede. But then, if they never had the right to secede in the first place (as Lincoln claimed), how can they reject a right they never had?
A State wishing to secede should first make DAMN sure that an overwhelming super-majority of its citizens want such a course of action, then just announce it as a foregone conclusion and await the fallout.
There is no official procedure for secession so new ground would be broken with each vote and declaration. It would be a wild ride!
Of course, the whole thing might fall apart when Washington sends the bill for that State’s share of the national debt, due and payable immediately.
The people of the United States formed political bonds with one another. No state, county, city, school district or homeowners' association" has the power to dissolve those bonds.
You are a citizen of the United States. Your neighbors cannot cancel your United States citizenship for you no matter what percentage of them might want to do so. Only you can cancel your citizenship.
You have constitutional rights under the United States Constitution. Your neighbors cannot deprive you of those rights no matter what percentage of them might want to do so. Only you can waive your rights as an individual under the Constitution.
You're exceptional. You're an American!
Yep, and that will be out of necessity and damn near outright survival.
If you spend much time over on the religion forum, you would have seen this type of stuff from Arthur before.
Lincoln WAS a tyrant and a mass murderer. He made war against states for exercising a natural right declared in the Declaration. Thus, Lincoln nullified the Declaration
Agree.
I called Lincoln a mass murderer once on FR, and I flamed so it was unbelievable.
It was a joke....
Justifiably so.
Or the Black flag Roach Motel.
Your proposal sucks.
[ Assuming Hillary Clinton defeats Trump, with the selection of liberal justices to the Supreme Court and the extension of the pervert revolution of Obama, secession may be the only means to save at least some of the states from absolute depravity and a dictatorship of the left. Whether the Constitution permits secession of a state is not relevant. That document has been a dead letter since the New Deal. Whether the failed Southern secession was due to a desire to preserve liberty or save slavery is not relevant. We are not talking about tariffs or human chattel but the prevention of a long era of tyranny as Russia suffered for over 70 years. ]
Very good point there
“Many states, such as Texas, retained that right explicitly in the very articles by which their legislature approved entering the Union.”
Would you please provide a link for that?
Thanks.
To early to leave. Still plenty of free money from the fed.
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