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To: fortheDeclaration
The South had no just cause to leave the Union.

They had every right to leave.

They had representation in the Congress to deal with Tariff issues.

You don't grasp that two wolves and a sheep thing do you? 75% of the US Exports in 1860 were Southern Agriculture Products. Virtually all the trade flowed through New York which took a sizable cut out of every transaction. They had wangled laws which made it difficult for the European nations to trade directly with the South.

New England was controlling trade form both directions, and they were getting very substantial cuts on the transactions both ways.

The Declaration of Independence recognized the natural right of rebellion against LEGITIMATE dangers, not imaginary ones.

I think you are too ignorant of History to understand the dangers which that New England Robber Barons Cabal represented for the Southern States. They basically controlled all trade, and they skimmed a cut off of the vast bulk of the transactions.

Just how do you suppose New York got so wealthy? The Dominant market in Europe was for Cotton and Tobacco. The Rest of the Nation's products only represented 25% of all US Exports.

What you are advocating is anarchy.

No, what we have now is anarchy, what I am advocating is consistency with the founding principles of this Nation; That people have a right to be free and independent if they wish.

So, the only people who actually had a right to rebel under the principals of the Declaration of Independence and natural law were the SLAVES, NOT THE SLAVE OWNERS.

Yes, I'm sure that's what all the Founders were thinking when they signed that document. Are you some sort of loon? Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to assert that Slave owning founders intended to free the slaves with the Declaration of Independence?

That is "transgender" logic. It makes as much sense as a man thinking he's a woman and wanting everyone else to go along with the delusion.

74 posted on 04/28/2016 4:10:24 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
No, the South didn't have a right to leave.

You have to show just cause for doing so.

And you can't grasp the fact that the South was still represented in Congress and in the Senate.

In fact, they were overrepresented, due to the 3.5 rule where Blacks were counted as part of the population for purposes of representation.

No one controlled anything, the South was fairly represented.

They didn't attempt to leave the Union over the Tariff issue, but over the slave expansion issue.

Your view of economic history is greatly lacking.

The South had joined the Union and was responsible for obeying it's requirements.

The South wasn't letting it's slaves go, and track those down who had escaped and forced them to return, no matter where they resided in the North.

You are advocating anarchy, and no nation can survive the idea that anyone can leave on any whim.

The Confederate States had they been successful would not allowed any of their States just to leave when they felt like it.

Now, stop posting your idiotic nonsense to me.

79 posted on 04/28/2016 7:01:13 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The fact that slave owner's signed the Declaration doesn't negate the fact that the idea that all men were created equal wasn't considered a universal truth.

But it was the later South who rejected the idea of natural rights (which you claim they are claiming) saying that the Declaration was only for White men.

The Founding Father's for the most part hated slavery and had every intention of ending it.

That is why they had no problem with acknowledging the truth of the Declaration of Independence.

80 posted on 04/28/2016 7:05:54 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The one who is delusional is yourself and your warped view of history.


81 posted on 04/28/2016 7:06:57 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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