Posted on 03/23/2016 4:12:27 PM PDT by Washi
RUSH: Vinny in Long Island. Vinny, it's great to have you back on the program. It's been a while. It's good to see your name up on the board there. How you doing?
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Maybe that's another Vinny, but I'm a first-time, longtime, and probably a 95-percenter, which means --
RUSH: Oh, so you're not the usual Vinny? Okay.
CALLER: No, there's a lot of conservative Vinnies from Long Island (chuckles), as you can imagine.
RUSH: Well, there's a lot of people in Long Island, so, yeah. It would makes sense that there are a lot of them are named Vinny.
CALLER: Yeah, a lot of Vinnies.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: Two points.
RUSH: (chuckling)
CALLER: I want to answer that point about surveillance about Cruz. My first point was that I have a hard time believing that of all those candidates up there, save for maybe Trump and Carson, that the GOP establishment didn't have some kind of connection to every single one of them, including Cruz. Most likely Cruz, because he was a lawyer in the Bush administration going way back to 2000. His wife worked for a lawyer, I think, also. For Condoleezza Rice on various different programs, which, you know, it's in doubt if she was for open borders or against open borders. You know, I don't know any of that stuff. But Cruz is definitely part of the establishment for a long, long time and, you know, he's made connections with 'em. He's a senator. He's not as anti-establishment as everybody would have him think. I mean, now the Bush endorsement --
RUSH: Well, now, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Let me take these one at a time so I can interrogate you.
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: Ah, ask you some questions you some questions.
CALLER: Sure.
RUSH: So you think because Cruz once worked for George W. Bush --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and Cruz's wife was with Goldman Sachs and Condoleezza Rice --
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: -- that all of that cancels out everything Ted Cruz says --
CALLER: No.
RUSH: -- and means that he's really just fooling you, that he's --
CALLER: No. No. No.
RUSH: -- as establishment as all these other blue-bloods are?
CALLER: No. No. I think it's just like, you know, he's one of them, but he has his own strong conservative values.
RUSH: Why do they hate him, Vinny?
CALLER: They hate him because he's against all their... um... let's call it "deal-making."
RUSH: Well?
CALLER: But here's the thing. Cruz is a lawyer himself. And you're never heard of a lawyer that does not make deals, do you? I mean, he's gonna make some deals on his own.
RUSH: (laughs)
CALLER: They're gonna be to his liking.
RUSH: Wait a second. That's all Trump is saying. Deal-making! That's what Trump is running on: A platform of deal-making.
CALLER: Yeah. But I think it's anti-establishment deal-making what Trump wants.
RUSH: Oh. Oh. (laughing)
CALLER: And Cruz, you know, unfortunately for him, he has... I mean, I liked him in the beginning. I mean, I really loved him. I thought he'd be a political (sic) vice president.
RUSH: Well, then what happened?
CALLER: What happened? I'll tell you what happened.
RUSH: What happened? If you liked him and he hasn't changed any, what happened?
CALLER: I'll give you a great explanation of why probably 90% of Trump supporters now hate him. Because he took out the long lawyer knives on Trump. And what I mean by that is he started to cast aspersions. He started to, uh, attack --
RUSH: He was the last! He was the last. He went longer than anybody not attacking!
CALLER: Yeah, I know, you're right. You're right. I'm not saying that's not true. It's true. Very true. But I guess when he reached certain point he thought, you know, "Hey, I got a shot at this, you know? I'm not gonna let this guy, you know, steamroll me. I'm a lawyer," and just... He really went after him in such a way that... Trump is not a lawyer. He's not gonna be able to respond to half of that stuff. He's gonna stand there looking foolish, I guess.
RUSH: You gotta be kidding.
CALLER: Yeah? This is the way I feel.
RUSH: Vinny, you can't be serious.
CALLER: This is the way I feel.
RUSH: You're telling me that because Cruz is a lawyer, he can go after Trump in certain ways that Trump can't react to and respond to 'cause Trump's not a lawyer, and a lawyer can make anybody look foolish, and you don't want him making Trump looking foolish because Trump's not a lawyer and Cruz is and so it isn't fair?
CALLER: He doesn't know how to respond in kind. I'm sorry, I think that's... I think that's the simple, simple explanation of it. Trump does his best with his New York style, which is kind of like mine. I mean, I'm a New Yorker.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: And I understand Trump perfectly. I know he's not a liberal Democrat, otherwise he would have ran as a liberal Democrat. Right now, the election would have been over.
RUSH: Wait a minute. You gotta be very careful.
CALLER: Rush, it would have been over if he would have run as a liberal Democrat.
RUSH: You gotta be very careful on this New Yorker business.
CALLER: (chortles)
RUSH: Because that's really what this is about, isn't it?
CALLER: M'yeah. So --
RUSH: When Cruz came out and accused Trump of having "New York values," that was it with you, right? 'Cause you're New Yorker, and Trump's a New Yorker, and you New Yorkers you hang together. You know how you talk; you know what you mean when you say New York stuff --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and here comes Cruz! Here comes Cruz castigating all you. That was the last straw of that, right?
CALLER: Eh, only because I knew that Trump has been a lifelong conservative Republican. I mean, he was at the 1988 convention
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: I forgot where that was. Maybe New Orleans. I can't remember. And he was interviewed on CNN by Larry King, and he said, "Conservative Republican Donald Trump." That was 1988.
RUSH: I have to step in here, Vinny. Just a second. For all of you listening, getting close to driving off the road or the nearest cliff, pulling your hair out.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: Dial it back.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: We got it under control here.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: They're shouting at me out there. "What do you mean, 'lifelong conservative Republican'? He donated to Hillary! What are you talking about?"
CALLER: Peanuts!
RUSH: Vinny, they're shouting at their radio and at me.
CALLER: Peanuts. He gave them peanuts.
RUSH: Peanuts? (laughs) Folks, see? There's an answer for everything here! This is why I'm trying to demonstrate: You cannot, and nobody can -- and I'm not even trying to. You can't break this bond. You can hit with logic. You can refute. You can point out the allegations being made about Cruz are not true. "Ah, you're right. You're right." But it doesn't matter. I'm at peace with it. It is what it is. There have to be other techniques, road maps, routes to accomplish what needs to be accomplished here, from the Cruz standpoint. Anyway, Vinny, I appreciate the call. We now happily welcome you to The Vinny Club here at the EIB Network. So next time you call, you'll be the Vinny from Long Island.
Remember Limbaugh was all about Bush until Jeb fell.
Then he was all about Rubio until Rubio fell.
Now he is with Cruz.
By the way, did Limbaugh ever apologize to Trump for dedicating a good part of his show defending the liar Micheelle Fields and attacking Trump????
Anyway, “ditto” with you Cruz supporters too.
What major accomplishment does Ted Cruz have in the Senate?
Why is 1st Term Ted Cruz hated by fellow Senators?
How come Ted Cruz will not finish his 1st term in the Senate, and is running for the White House?
Cruz is 100% pure Establishment and it’s why Jeb Bush supports him.
Cruz was for the TPP and TPA before he was against it.
Cruz was for a Pathway to Citizenship before he was against it.
Cruz is still for war in Syria and Ukraine even though neither country is a National Security Threat to the United States.
Cruz is NOW for the NSA POLICE STATE SPYING ON ALL U.S. CITIZENS (in other words we are all guilty until proven innocent) and wants to by pass the 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
Cruz worked for the W. Bush White House. Why does he not talk about that?
Cruz’ wife helped get us into Iraq even though Saudi Arabia attacked us on September 11th. Did they find WMDs? Per W. Bush he said no.
Cruz’s wife helped negotiate Trade policy with China where we pay 20,30 and 40% tariffs to China and they pay nothing to us. Our trade agreement his wife helped set up let’s China manipulate their currency too.
Cruz blamed Trump for the terrorist attack in Brussels.
Cruz took the side of George Soros Move On and Black Lives Matter against Trump.
Cruz used Glenn Beck to say conservative Christians were not listening to God if they voted for Trump.
Cruz had his pack personally attack Trump’s family.
Cruz is an Establishment Rat! All he does is follow Trump’s lead on building a wall and the Trade Deals.
Oh and not it looks like Cruz has been lyin’ and cheating on his wife too.
This is the same Canadian who lived the first 4 years of his life in Canada can run for the POTUS.
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Euram, my thoughts exactly.
And don't forget searching out the least verbally adroit Trump supporters they can find to castigate....
Reality will get Trump elected. Nothing on the international scene or national will change in a positive way. Europe won’t find their alpha male our borders won’t close and Hillary will have a coughing fit during the debate or get indicted. Reality bites.
The nut of what Vinny was saying, in between Rush baiting him, was something that has bothered me with each debate - what turned me off to Cruz (one of the things) is that he twists things exactly as a lawyer would, rephrases truths or partial-truths into a negative connotation. Just like lawyers do to someone on the witness stand for the opposing side, or in a deposition. And the frustrating thing for me is that Trump didn’t pick up on it fast enough or at all to respond in kind - but he knew Ted was twisting things. As a result he just calls him ‘Lyin’ Ted’. Ted’s witness as a Christian really diminished with me each time he has done that.
Similarly with the Iowa/Carson thing and the Melania thing - just enough leeway to say ‘It wasn’t me’ or the guilt-by-association with Trump with Chicago or Brussels/NATO. I knew what Trump meant when referring to NATO - the EU and NATO should hold their own weight - Trump wasn’t saying they’re on their own.
As Rush is so fond of saying, there’s lots of things that can happen to change the political landscape almost overnight.
Ahhh, you seem to think that the Trump supporters are illogical, nay buffoons! So for a moment, let’s say that you”re 100% right. That Trump supporters are emotion driven and illogical in the extreme.
That’s a far, far worse dilemma in the long run for the supporters of Jeb Cruz. Because emotional people do really drastic and vindictive things when screwed over. Like going scorched earth on the gop.
Let me explain, “scorched earth” in this sense means that Trump supporters show up en masse on election day and vote against every down ticket republican. Every single one. Because you see it’s not the yahoo at the top of the ticket that is enabling the gop-e. It’s the miserable little toads in senate seats, the house, the legislatures who enable the gop-e.
Now of course acting to lose the presidency and handing over all those down ticket offices to the rats is illogical, counterproductive and downright buffoonish. And it might well destroy the gop. But as so many wise terribly wise Jeb cruz supporters have pointed out, you just can’t logic with those Trumpsters!
They don’t trust Trump. And neither do I. He is the kayfabe master, In the Hall of Fame, literally. You can’t trust one word out of his mouth.
Kayfabe, all of it.
Who is “THEY”?
The intellectually vapid rabid vermin have come out of the shadows and own the screen and moral low ground.
FR is no longer conservative friendly.
Unlike Cruz, I DO NOT support a brokered convention - with the result, of course, being Romney, Jeb, Linda, or Ryan.
But I guess you Cruz junkies support it...
When this primary season started, I was so pleased at the Republican Party because we had so many great possibilities. Except for Trump. I wasn’t all that fond of Trump. But you know, I’m getting used to him, and besides I lived in Brooklyn, I understand him and the way he talks.
And over time, I realized, I can’t stand Cruz.
Bull crap. Limbaugh was never for Bush.
Then he was all about Rubio until Rubio fell.
Bull crap again.
Now he is with Cruz.
He has always been equally supportive of both Trump and Cruz. However, when he favors Cruz on any particular topic, he is attacked and thrown under the bus by the so-called conservatives who support Trump. There is to be no criticism.
By the way, did Limbaugh ever apologize to Trump for dedicating a good part of his show defending the liar Micheelle Fields and attacking Trump????
Anyway, “ditto” with you Cruz supporters too.
What major accomplishment does Ted Cruz have in the Senate?
Why is 1st Term Ted Cruz hated by fellow Senators?
Let's call this sentence "A".
How come Ted Cruz will not finish his 1st term in the Senate, and is running for the White House?
Cruz is 100% pure Establishment and it’s why Jeb Bush supports him.
Let's call this sentence "B".
Jeb Bush just now started supporting him because he's the only one who can take on Trump, and Bush has a bad case of butt-hurt against Trump because of Trump's personal attacks on Bush and his family.
If sentence "B" is correct, and Cruz is 100% establishment, then how can sentence "A" also be correct that nobody in the Senate likes him.
Sentence "A" is correct. Nobody in the Senate likes him because he doesn't play their establishment games. All of you Trump supporters know that, but will dishonestly dispute that in order to continue supporting your candidate.
Cruz was for the TPP and TPA before he was against it.
Cruz was for a Pathway to Citizenship before he was against it.
Repeatedly proven as false here and only repeated by dishonest Trump supporters lying for their candidate.
Cruz is still for war in Syria and Ukraine even though neither country is a National Security Threat to the United States.
Don't know what you are talking about.
Cruz is NOW for the NSA POLICE STATE SPYING ON ALL U.S. CITIZENS (in other words we are all guilty until proven innocent) and wants to by pass the 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
Don't know what you are talking about.
Cruz worked for the W. Bush White House. Why does he not talk about that?
So what? I supported W. over Gore and over Kerry. Didn't you?
Cruz’ wife helped get us into Iraq even though Saudi Arabia attacked us on September 11th. Did they find WMDs? Per W. Bush he said no.
Don't know what you are talking about.
Cruz’s wife helped negotiate Trade policy with China where we pay 20,30 and 40% tariffs to China and they pay nothing to us. Our trade agreement his wife helped set up let’s China manipulate their currency too.
Don't know what you are talking about.
Cruz blamed Trump for the terrorist attack in Brussels.
Repeatedly proven as false here and only repeated by dishonest Trump supporters lying for their candidate.
Cruz took the side of George Soros Move On and Black Lives Matter against Trump.
Don't know what you are talking about.
Cruz used Glenn Beck to say conservative Christians were not listening to God if they voted for Trump.
Cruz has no control over what that goofball says.
Cruz had his pack personally attack Trump’s family.
Repeatedly proven as false here and only repeated by dishonest Trump supporters lying for their candidate.
Cruz is an Establishment Rat! All he does is follow Trump’s lead on building a wall and the Trade Deals.
Your suspect opinion.
Oh and not it looks like Cruz has been lyin’ and cheating on his wife too.
Do you have a source or proof of some sort or is this just more of the character assassination politics that Trump and his supporters practice? Can't argue the facts? Can't articulate a policy? Just attack your opponent's character.
This is the same Canadian who lived the first 4 years of his life in Canada can run for the POTUS.
I'm sure you imagined that was English when you typed it.
And over time, I realized, I can’t stand Cruz.
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LOL, same thing happened with me and I was on board with Cruz the day he announced. I was one of those scoffing at Trump running before he announced.
¡Teb! has gone over to the dark side and joined with the GOPe
From the mouths of babes.
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