Posted on 03/23/2016 4:12:27 PM PDT by Washi
RUSH: Vinny in Long Island. Vinny, it's great to have you back on the program. It's been a while. It's good to see your name up on the board there. How you doing?
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Maybe that's another Vinny, but I'm a first-time, longtime, and probably a 95-percenter, which means --
RUSH: Oh, so you're not the usual Vinny? Okay.
CALLER: No, there's a lot of conservative Vinnies from Long Island (chuckles), as you can imagine.
RUSH: Well, there's a lot of people in Long Island, so, yeah. It would makes sense that there are a lot of them are named Vinny.
CALLER: Yeah, a lot of Vinnies.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: Two points.
RUSH: (chuckling)
CALLER: I want to answer that point about surveillance about Cruz. My first point was that I have a hard time believing that of all those candidates up there, save for maybe Trump and Carson, that the GOP establishment didn't have some kind of connection to every single one of them, including Cruz. Most likely Cruz, because he was a lawyer in the Bush administration going way back to 2000. His wife worked for a lawyer, I think, also. For Condoleezza Rice on various different programs, which, you know, it's in doubt if she was for open borders or against open borders. You know, I don't know any of that stuff. But Cruz is definitely part of the establishment for a long, long time and, you know, he's made connections with 'em. He's a senator. He's not as anti-establishment as everybody would have him think. I mean, now the Bush endorsement --
RUSH: Well, now, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Let me take these one at a time so I can interrogate you.
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: Ah, ask you some questions you some questions.
CALLER: Sure.
RUSH: So you think because Cruz once worked for George W. Bush --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and Cruz's wife was with Goldman Sachs and Condoleezza Rice --
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: -- that all of that cancels out everything Ted Cruz says --
CALLER: No.
RUSH: -- and means that he's really just fooling you, that he's --
CALLER: No. No. No.
RUSH: -- as establishment as all these other blue-bloods are?
CALLER: No. No. I think it's just like, you know, he's one of them, but he has his own strong conservative values.
RUSH: Why do they hate him, Vinny?
CALLER: They hate him because he's against all their... um... let's call it "deal-making."
RUSH: Well?
CALLER: But here's the thing. Cruz is a lawyer himself. And you're never heard of a lawyer that does not make deals, do you? I mean, he's gonna make some deals on his own.
RUSH: (laughs)
CALLER: They're gonna be to his liking.
RUSH: Wait a second. That's all Trump is saying. Deal-making! That's what Trump is running on: A platform of deal-making.
CALLER: Yeah. But I think it's anti-establishment deal-making what Trump wants.
RUSH: Oh. Oh. (laughing)
CALLER: And Cruz, you know, unfortunately for him, he has... I mean, I liked him in the beginning. I mean, I really loved him. I thought he'd be a political (sic) vice president.
RUSH: Well, then what happened?
CALLER: What happened? I'll tell you what happened.
RUSH: What happened? If you liked him and he hasn't changed any, what happened?
CALLER: I'll give you a great explanation of why probably 90% of Trump supporters now hate him. Because he took out the long lawyer knives on Trump. And what I mean by that is he started to cast aspersions. He started to, uh, attack --
RUSH: He was the last! He was the last. He went longer than anybody not attacking!
CALLER: Yeah, I know, you're right. You're right. I'm not saying that's not true. It's true. Very true. But I guess when he reached certain point he thought, you know, "Hey, I got a shot at this, you know? I'm not gonna let this guy, you know, steamroll me. I'm a lawyer," and just... He really went after him in such a way that... Trump is not a lawyer. He's not gonna be able to respond to half of that stuff. He's gonna stand there looking foolish, I guess.
RUSH: You gotta be kidding.
CALLER: Yeah? This is the way I feel.
RUSH: Vinny, you can't be serious.
CALLER: This is the way I feel.
RUSH: You're telling me that because Cruz is a lawyer, he can go after Trump in certain ways that Trump can't react to and respond to 'cause Trump's not a lawyer, and a lawyer can make anybody look foolish, and you don't want him making Trump looking foolish because Trump's not a lawyer and Cruz is and so it isn't fair?
CALLER: He doesn't know how to respond in kind. I'm sorry, I think that's... I think that's the simple, simple explanation of it. Trump does his best with his New York style, which is kind of like mine. I mean, I'm a New Yorker.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: And I understand Trump perfectly. I know he's not a liberal Democrat, otherwise he would have ran as a liberal Democrat. Right now, the election would have been over.
RUSH: Wait a minute. You gotta be very careful.
CALLER: Rush, it would have been over if he would have run as a liberal Democrat.
RUSH: You gotta be very careful on this New Yorker business.
CALLER: (chortles)
RUSH: Because that's really what this is about, isn't it?
CALLER: M'yeah. So --
RUSH: When Cruz came out and accused Trump of having "New York values," that was it with you, right? 'Cause you're New Yorker, and Trump's a New Yorker, and you New Yorkers you hang together. You know how you talk; you know what you mean when you say New York stuff --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and here comes Cruz! Here comes Cruz castigating all you. That was the last straw of that, right?
CALLER: Eh, only because I knew that Trump has been a lifelong conservative Republican. I mean, he was at the 1988 convention
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: I forgot where that was. Maybe New Orleans. I can't remember. And he was interviewed on CNN by Larry King, and he said, "Conservative Republican Donald Trump." That was 1988.
RUSH: I have to step in here, Vinny. Just a second. For all of you listening, getting close to driving off the road or the nearest cliff, pulling your hair out.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: Dial it back.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: We got it under control here.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: They're shouting at me out there. "What do you mean, 'lifelong conservative Republican'? He donated to Hillary! What are you talking about?"
CALLER: Peanuts!
RUSH: Vinny, they're shouting at their radio and at me.
CALLER: Peanuts. He gave them peanuts.
RUSH: Peanuts? (laughs) Folks, see? There's an answer for everything here! This is why I'm trying to demonstrate: You cannot, and nobody can -- and I'm not even trying to. You can't break this bond. You can hit with logic. You can refute. You can point out the allegations being made about Cruz are not true. "Ah, you're right. You're right." But it doesn't matter. I'm at peace with it. It is what it is. There have to be other techniques, road maps, routes to accomplish what needs to be accomplished here, from the Cruz standpoint. Anyway, Vinny, I appreciate the call. We now happily welcome you to The Vinny Club here at the EIB Network. So next time you call, you'll be the Vinny from Long Island.
Cruzifer hates the Church of Trump.
It is what Rush does not talk about. Ok you Cruz guys explain this.
Why has the “Club for Growth” come out in support of Ted Cruz? Why has Jeb Bush come out in supporet of Ted Cruz? Why has Lindsey Graham come out in suppoert of Ted Cruz? Why did the cheap labor express Carly Fiorina accompany Ted to the Border? Why has Mitt Romney come out in support of Ted Cruz? We all know the list could go on and on. Explanations please.
Which as Ted told his donors was his plan all along. Coast in Donald's wake and pretend to be a friend, while Trump knocked the competition out, then attack just before the voting started. It worked to a degree, but in the end not.
“As they saying goes; you can’t reason someone out of a position that they did not arrive at with reason in the first place.”
Yeah, I heard that call. It is one of Limbaugh’s favorite ploys — get a Trump supporter on the air that is not all there and bait him and hold him up to ridicule and try to claim that that caller is typical of all Trump’s supporters.
There was a Trump supporter that was on the air very early. He made sense, so Rush would hardly allow him to make his points, kept interrupting him. But he will give this type of caller unlimited time
Not what’s wrong with what Vinny said. Cruz cut his political teeth in Washington working for W. His wife is a partner with Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs secretly funded his Senate campaign. Cruz has spent his entire career in Washington and while he talks a good game, he’s delivered nothing ever except key votes for TPP, for Corker, etc. He’s 100% establishment and the proof is in the pudding with every member of the establishment lining up behind him as opposed to Sessions, Arpaio, Palin, etc., for Trump. Trump did show up at the 1988 Republican Convention and announced himself as a Conservative Republican. Is a doctrinaire ideologue who’s spent decades in the trenches? No, he’s a New York City real estate developer, and I’m fine with that.
I consider myself an average Trump backer. I was skeptical at first, and I still have my doubts about him. But, the reason I support him is that I know exactly what we’ll get with Kasich, just more Bushism, he’ll push for amnesty, he won’t lift a finger to close the border, and he wants us to get into a war not only in the Middle East, but with North Korea as well.
As for Cruz, pretty much the same thing. I used to like him, but his alliance with Glenn Beck is a real turn off. His closeness with the Bushes, i.e., Neil Bush, the Jeb financial team, now the Jeb endorsement, no thank you. As far as I’m concerned, Bushism has to be uprooted and discarded, completely, and that includes Stealth Bushes.
Is Trump perfect, no. I don’t know exactly what he’ll do, and I’m sure I’ll be disappointed somewhere along the line, but I don’t know that for sure, so I’m willing to give someone who isn’t intimidated by the media, someone who isn’t swimming in special interest money, and someone who has actually created jobs, have a shot. I might be pleasantly surprised, and won’t be greatly disappointed. I held my nose and voted for Dole, Bush2 twice, McCain, and Romney, all of them were big fat ZEROES as far as I’m concerned.
So, Cruz supporters can call me LIV all they want, and point out Trump’s faults, but I don’t care. The only chance we have to uproot the Bushes is to get someone who isn’t a Stealth Bush.
That statement can work as easily by reversing the names. I don't hear Trump supporters like myself justifying Trump's poorer statements, but all I ever hear from Cruz supporters why it is great he has the Bush dynasty join his team or Romney support him even when Romney made clear he only wants a brokered convention.
When Cruz calls Trump supporter low information or not engaged it ok with you guys. If Trump said that about Cruz supports I would not justify it. You really fail to see how you excuse everything Cruz does that is not conservtive much less Christian.
Which is exactly what won Obama 2 terms. Trump knows this and so do I which is why I switched from Cruz to Trump.
Certainly Trump concerns me as a social liberal, I still believe he has the country at heart and wants to see us off our ass economically. Plus he will destroy the condescending SOBs in the GOPe which is an absolute must if we even have a shot at saving the country. Is he a hard core conservative consitutionalist? No, but my instincts tell me we have a chance with Trump. We can work on the conservative details later.
Cruz on the other hand, as smart as he is will not be able to draw enough Democrats and Independents to beat the Bitch of Benghazi. Trump is much more of a uniter than Cruz.
9/11 was planned under Clinton, but executed under Bush.
Notice that after that, nobody f'd with us.
Under Obama, terrorists KNOW that we DON'T mean business.
Terrorists have free reign to do as they please.
I trust Cruz to a degree, but I KNOW Trump will keep us safe.
Hillary or Bernie?
No, not in a million years.
And you can’t get a Cruz supporter to look at his or his wife’s resumes and realize the plain truth staring them in the face. They have been high level GOPe for 20 years, both of them.
constitutional conservative + cronyism
OR
populism without cronyism
the Constitution does not address cronyism which history demonstrates to lead to the eventual downfall of republics
I'll probably just take my opposition to Hillary somewhere else.
But at least he seems "open" to conservative social issues.
I would vote for Rudy Giuliani if given the chance, even though he is *definitely* liberal on social issues.
We are really not given that choice right now, so I have to go with the (realistic) choices presented.
Kasich is a complete no way.
He's liberal on about every issue.
If Cruz gets the nod, I'll vote for him.
The only chance we have to uproot the Bushes is to get someone who isn’t a Stealth Bush.
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¡Teb!
I have no doubt that Trump will hit back. I think he’ll hit to prevent getting hit
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2014/04/16/donald-trump-donates-to-ted-cruz
When in a democrat controlled state corruption bribes are the cost of doing business. Grow up and stop supporting Hillary.
I heard that one but not the one in this thread.
Rush all but called the guy a liar because he refuses to accept that some (of us) people were all in for Cruz but now aren't, once we've seen more of him.
When he did Neil Bush was on CNN to correct it to say Christians too
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