Posted on 03/22/2016 3:16:40 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
Regarding the bones of the small children discovered in the tower, do you have any ideas who they may have been?
Supposing the boys were murdered, I’ve seen both Margaret Beaufort and Henry VII listed as the possible guilty party with one historian leaning towards Henry. Thoughts on this? After study, I’m starting to find Richard III a much more sympathetic character, and dont believe he had need to murder the boys.
I find the War of the Roses captivating history. It’s doubly so since my genealogy shows descent from major players of this time-—if the genealogy is correct. Ha.
Maybe they were Pages to the King. Pretty plausible, since I don't think Richard III had any inkling Bosworth was going to go that bad that day.
There’s no evidence that they were the bones of very small children — one of the problems uncovered when they were examined by forensics guys (1930s?) was that they were remains of individuals too old to have been the princes if they’d died during the reign of Richard III. Also, there was no scientific dating. Also, the find spot wasn’t all nice and neat, and other partial remains were ignored. It’s not unlikely that they were from a burial ground, and could well have been much older remains, perhaps Dark Ages, perhaps Roman, perhaps pre-Roman.
Richard III had zero motive for killing the princes, they’d been delegitimized by the Titulus Regius.
Henry VII had the children of Richard’s elder brother relegitimized and the Titulus Regius copies burned (one happened to survive in obscurity and was rediscovered in the past century), so he could (and did) marry their sister, but the princes obviously had a better claim at that point — apart from the fact that he’d already had them killed.
Saw a show on it just a few weeks ago.
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I would love to see that show. Do you have the info so that I could search for it?
It’s a fascinating period with so many interesting characters. Richard the Third is a very sympathetic character. A beloved figure in England until the Woodvilles decided to kill him.
The bones in the urn were discovered in the 17th century along with animal bones and broken pottery when doing excavation at the Tower. It was assumed, without any evidence, that they were the two boys. They were examined in the 1930s by a dentist. He thought they were too young to be able to identify their sex. One had serious bone disease in its jaw. There is no evidence that either of the princes had such an illness. Many bones have turned up at the tower site because it was inhabited for centuries and was originally a fort. Some think the bones may have been from the Roman era.
The Queen refuses to have the bones reexamined.
The problem also is if the bones in the urn were identified as the princes, it still doesn’t tell us who had them killed - or if they were indeed killed. We do know from the 1930s examination that the bones didn’t show anything unusual except disease of the jaw in one of them.
Check Post 4 and see if you’d like your daughter or mother to get a message like that. I was not on this thread when I received that. I’m not even sure why this two year old story is alive and well again.
I did mention that the Tudors wrote the stories. I’m a Plantagenet descendant, not the Tudors, the Stuarts or all of the Germans, so I won’t defend the rumors.
I didn’t say that the target of your invective didn’t have it coming- he certainly did. I am just admiring your effectiveness.
Ah, well, then, I apologize.
Whew! I can take a breather from my digging. A lot of granite around here.
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That is a very cool scan.
I’m also Plantagenet descent if the genealogy is correct. I’m verified to the Morgans in Wales.
Thanks for the info. Truly am engrossed by this era of history. Also spend a lot of time reading about Custer at The Little Big Horn.
Boy wouldn’t it be fun to time travel back in history and solve some of these mysteries?
So Zulu you think VII or his nutty mom and not poor Gloucester the maligned?
I just read a lot on it
The recent Thames production on Thomas Cromwell was really good
And the Starz series on Woodville ditto
That’s a disgusting thing to say and you should be embarrassed, but I doubt that you are. SHAME ON YOU AND YOU’RE VULGAR POST !
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