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To: ifinnegan

If paleontology were hard science then they wouldn’t have taught generations of school children that the dinosaurs were reptiles.


41 posted on 03/08/2016 11:37:40 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand. If you are French raise both hands)
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To: Seruzawa

Good point.


43 posted on 03/08/2016 11:46:07 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Seruzawa

It’s been a long time that dinosaurs have been differentiated from reptiles.


51 posted on 03/08/2016 12:16:35 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Seruzawa

I'm sure you'll be relieved that this is what is being taught today.

53 posted on 03/08/2016 12:26:40 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Seruzawa; JimSEA; ifinnegan
Seruzawa: "If paleontology were hard science then they wouldn’t have taught generations of school children that the dinosaurs were reptiles."

Your argument here raises two questions:

  1. Is paleontology a "hard science"?

  2. Were dinosaurs reptiles, and if not, why not?

Is paleontology "hard science"?

Definition of "soft science":

Definition of "hard science":

Chemistry, biology, physics and astronomy are here listed as "hard science" and all provide evidence confirming evolution theory.
Evolutionary biology is sometimes called "soft", but that was in the days before detailed DNA analysis began upsetting the old order of biological classifications & relationships.
Paleontology itself is not found listed in either "hard" or "soft" category.

Bottom line: it's not clear if the pejorative term "soft science" is anything more than a polite way of saying: I disagree with your conclusions, so I'll call you "soft", pal.

Were dinosaurs reptiles?

Until Bob Bakker in the late 60s, dinosaurs were thought to be cold-blooded like reptiles.
Today dinosaurs are classified along with birds and reptiles among the archeosaurs a clade-order in the class Reptilia.
But where, exactly, they belong is still unclear.
When & how, did ancestors of dinosaurs split from those of birds or mammals, is not fully known.

But the real question here is whether that term "soft science" is simply euphemism for "inaccurate guess-work", and if so, then the biological classification system has gone from "soft" to harder & harder over many years, as more and more hard data (i.e., DNA comparisons) came into the picture.

Archeosaurs include two main sub-clades, "Pseudosuchia, which includes crocodilians and their extinct relatives, and Ornithosuchia, which includes birds and their extinct relatives (such as non-avian dinosaurs and pterosaurs)":

Examples of Archeosaur Ornithosuchians (Avemetatarsalia) and Pseudosuchians:

92 posted on 03/10/2016 6:52:08 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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