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Trump’s obsession with WW2 generals strikes sour note with historians
oan ^ | February 25, 2016 | Emily Flitter

Posted on 02/25/2016 4:56:21 PM PST by sparklite2

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Presidential candidate Donald Trump admires the late Douglas MacArthur and George Patton, both World War Two generals. They were winners, unpredictable, and not especially nice guys, he says in campaign speeches. But Trump's pledge to imitate their styles sets modern-day military experts on edge.

Born in 1946, a year after World War Two ended, Trump often praises MacArthur and Patton for the blunt ways he says they commanded respect. "George Patton was one of the roughest guys, he would talk rough to his men," Trump told an audience last week in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. "His men would die for him," Trump added. "We don't have that anymore." He said Patton would wipe out Islamic State without hesitation were he still in command.

But military historians and retired generals say Trump has an inflated view of the two military men and especially their relevance to an era of modern warfare when armies rely more on technology and when battle successes and failures and civilian casualties are communicated far more rapidly than when MacArthur and Patton commanded troops 70 years ago.

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To: Mollypitcher1
I believe that Hitler's decision to leave behind forces to fight to the last man in the Channel Ports led to Patton being bogged down in Lorraine. This led to a logistical bottleneck in Normandy until these ports could be taken. Some of them remained in German hands for months. Without large supplies of gasoline, an armored force is not going to go on a swift offensive.
141 posted on 02/25/2016 7:40:50 PM PST by gusty
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To: traderrob6

We can go back to the 1800s as well. We have had a wide variety of presidents and survived em all


142 posted on 02/25/2016 7:41:22 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouads)
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To: yarddog

You remember correctly, it was surrounded by forts, many of which still survive today. To really understand the obstacles, one needs to well understand World war One in the region including the Battles of Verdun. Metz was of extreme importance being a Fortified City, with the major railhead,built in the early years of the century by Germany, site of massive dirigible and air force installations, located on two rivers, the Moselle and the Seille.


143 posted on 02/25/2016 7:43:16 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: yarddog

I recommend these titles for your perusal.

Embers of War: The Fall of an Empire and the Making of America’s Vietnam by Fredrik Logevall

The Last Valley: Dien Bien Phu and the French Defeat in Vietnam by Martin Windrow

Hell In A Very Small Place: The Siege Of Dien Bien Phu by Bernard Fall


144 posted on 02/25/2016 7:45:58 PM PST by gusty
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Aren’t you forgetting about Australia? Hmmmmmmmmmmm


145 posted on 02/25/2016 7:46:33 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: yarddog

Where on earth did you come up with that story? Ridiculous!


146 posted on 02/25/2016 7:52:57 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

It is not a story, it is fact.


147 posted on 02/25/2016 7:56:53 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: yarddog
It might be a fact. It is the interpretation of the makers of the TV show you watched. It could be fact or it could not. It is always a good idea to research a little more to confirm if what was stated is true. In a busy life, it might not be worth it, but personally I find the conflict fascinating, so you will not be bored if you decide to inquire further.
148 posted on 02/25/2016 8:02:29 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

To add. The Battle of Dien Bien Phu involved fighting men from France, Vietnam (both sides), North Africa, West Africa, Foreign Legionaires from all corners of the globe. It is fascinating.


149 posted on 02/25/2016 8:06:15 PM PST by gusty
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To: Nifster

It’s probably only appropriate to consider the last century as a the 19th century was a different time but Johnson would be the one that comes to mind.

How’d that work out for us?


150 posted on 02/25/2016 8:07:24 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: gusty

Hadn’t thought about that but certainly a valid point. The supply lines were certainly overstretched and the Red Balkl Express under-supplied. I didn’t like Eisenhower giving priority, including supplies Patton needed, to Montgomery. The little Poppycock general cost us many lives. Montgomery was wrong on Dieppe, wrong on Market Garden, and wrong on a lot of things including Sicily and Bastogne. He only won El Alamein because the British Code Breakers at Bletchly Park intercepted the Italian supply orders for Rommel in North Africa. the British navy and RAF sank the supply ships sent from Italy to North Africa. Montgomery got the credit but he never could even catch Rommel whose withdrawal and escape were a lesson in military genius for all to see. My opinion, anyway.


151 posted on 02/25/2016 8:09:28 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

Montgomery should have also cleared the islands leading into Antwerp instead of launching Market Garden. Opening that port would have served the Allies a lot more. You are absolutely correct on North AFrica. Sending Rommel’s supplies to the bottom of the sea and bombing the long lonely road through the desert was what doomed Rommel.


152 posted on 02/25/2016 8:15:37 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

Excellent advice. I always research after such films. It is amazing how often one finds errors and some of them are intentional. I remember one not too long ago on WW I. They opened the program with French soldiers marching off to war and it was supposed to be 1914. However, the first scenes showed the French Soldiers dressed in Horizon Blue which was not introduced until 1915.Prior to that the uniforms had bright red pants and dark blue coats. Actually there were those who defended the bright red trousers as traditional against the common sense knowledge that red was a highly visible color. It was finally agreed that the uniform would be made out of red, white and blue threads(The French colors as well as ours.), which produced a rather muddy off color. The red dye became impossible to get so only blue and white threads were used which resulted in the “horizon blue.” When i saw that error, I was suspect of the entire film. A few other marginal faults were found, but it was a passable show. Not perfect, as it should have been.


153 posted on 02/25/2016 8:30:33 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: gusty

France at one time had many far flung colonies.


154 posted on 02/25/2016 8:31:56 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Hoodat
Given my choice, I would want Admiral Nimitz running the country.

That was an Admiral who showed you could be a Leader, a gentleman, and a Man.

155 posted on 02/25/2016 8:43:20 PM PST by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: gusty

Agreed. And Market Garden was a disaster that could have been avoided if Eisenhower had listened to Patton who opposed it. But Eisenhower always sided with Montgomery.


156 posted on 02/25/2016 8:50:28 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: sparklite2

I’m not a Trump fan but this article is a pos. Flitter should flitter.


157 posted on 02/25/2016 9:56:24 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama Rules of Engagement: Hands up Don't Shoot)
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To: txnativegop

“Trump wants to emulate MacArthur, a selfish, arrogant individual and Patton, who for all of his combat leadership skills, was a bombastic prima donna.
Kind of says it all.”

Really? And just what kind of authority are you on anything pissant? Obviously nothing.


158 posted on 02/25/2016 10:00:50 PM PST by slouper (LWRC SPR 5.56)
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To: laplata

Actually, it’s not BS..


159 posted on 02/25/2016 10:17:51 PM PST by Bikkuri ((...))
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To: Bikkuri

For him to ignore that they were winners is not BS.


160 posted on 02/25/2016 10:22:45 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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