Or the right?
Posted on 02/06/2016 4:56:28 AM PST by Nextrush
"In the light of recent events that took place today and conversations with the FBI and the people at the refuge, we have decided to stand down our PPN Call to Action"
Pacific Patriots Network "OFFICIAL STAND DOWN" 2/5/2016
"When the night sky glows with the red fires of war and the threat of annihilation pounds at your door you don't have to pretend its true got no nerves of steel to believe that the Love of the Lord is actual and real in this world thunder rocks in the darkness Out in the eye of the storm the friends of God suffer no permanent harm"
Mark Heard-"Eye of the Storm"
The Pacific Patriots Network issued a 'stand down' order yesterday regarding a planned march into the Harney County Resource Center (Malheur National Wildlife Refuge) this morning.
"OregonLive" reporter Fedor Zarkharin wrote: ".....BJ Soper, a founding member of the Pacific Patriots Network, said the group was going to escort the holdouts from the refuge. But Soper learned that the occupiers said they were resigned to die and that attempts to remove them would be met by force..."
PPN is instead directing their volunteers that were enroute to Harney County, Oregon today to gather at the site of Robert LaVoy Finicum's death for a memorial.
The original intention of PPN was to take the four people inside the refuge out and effectively end the occupation of the refuge to protest the injustice done in the renewed imprisonment of Dwight and Stephen Hammond.
Ammon Bundy said in his statement from jail a few days ago that the occupation was the right thing to do and the folks left at the refuge are following their leader even though he is not with them.
This whole 'patriot' operation reminds me of history from 1962 in Albany, Georgia where Dr. Martin Luther was sitting in a jail, refusing to be bailed out. King needed to stay in jail to keep the protest movement of civil disobedience against racial segregation building and going forward.
The Kennedy Administration needed to short circuit his protest to please the white Democrats of Georgia. JFK needed to hold the Democrat Party together with a go slow on racial issues policy which MLK rejected.
First Kennedy used the host of NBC's "Meet the Press" who tried to lure Dr. King out of jail with an offer to be the guest.
When that failed a Justice Department official was sent to Albany where he 'anonymously' posted bail to undermine Dr. King's protest movement, which ended in failure.
I sincerely believe that the PPN group including Idaho III Percent and Oath Keepers were doing pretty much that kind of a job on the protest Ammon Bundy launched because of the injustice done in the return of Dwight and Steven Hammond to prison.
They said at the beginning they opposed the protest. Then they got emotional about FBI action at the refuge and showed up all militarized in a way Ammon Bundy, LaVoy Finicum and the others there weren't. Ammon Bundy sent them away but not after they put on a frightening show for the media to spread around the world.
The PPN people all along have been trying to hurt Ammon Bundy just like JFK tried to hurt MLK in the early 1960's. I think its because they are afraid of any conflict or violence in this situation will hurting the Republican Party and its unity.
The GOP candidates for president echoed the PPN position in opposing the occupation protest and calling for a stand down from its beginning.
Since the days of RIchard NixOn, the GOPe has put a lot of stock, now more than ever since 9/11, in the support of law enforcement organizations and unions, even ones whose members may be supporting tyranny like Oregon law enforcement is right now.
The Oregon State Sheriff's Association issued a statement yesterday to oppose any actions deemed 'illegal' as a means of protest.
The statement reads in part:
"These militia men and women have broken into publicly owned buildings, disrespected Native American heritage and intimidated and harassed local residents and officials.
These men and women are asking for change, and we support their right to challenge our government to make change. However, we do not agree with or support any citizen or elected official who would advocate for change in a manner that includes illegal action, threats of violence, or violence against any citizen of the United States."
Perhaps this organization would be better named the "Oregon State Sheriffs of Nottingham Association".
Some one thousand people were on hand for the funeral of LaVoy Finicum in Kanab, Utah yesterday. The funeral procession was led by a group of men on horseback and followed by many dozens of men, women and children riding on horseback, including Cliven Bundy, LaVoy's friend and father of the now jailed Ammon Bundy.
Shawna Cox, released from jail after being arrested when LaVoy was killed, was allowed by a federal judge to attend the funeral. She is under house arrest at her Utah home.
"Oregon Live" reports that more than 30 memorial events are planned for Lavoy Fincium in 17 states this weekend.
To wrap up, my prayers are that God would Bless All, even those one might call enemies like the FBI, government officials and law enforcement.
General George Patton's speech and Pastor Martin Niemoller's admonition in a modern context might read like this:
"What did you do when they came for the cowboys and the ranchers, what did you do in the great war on the cowboys....well I did nothing because I wasn't a cowboy and well I shoveled political s**t on the internet."
Isn't it time to support the four people at the refuge with prayer as well?
I don't believe in guns, violence or the two major political parties and their operatives like the "patriots" mentioned above to do good at this point.
I would gladly welcome unarmed, non violent actions in the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, Operation Rescue and Gandhi outside the sphere of the PPN folks at this moment.
The FBI side already initiated violence in this situation, let them go Bull Connor on clearly unarmed people.
May the spiritual power of peaceful thinking and action be unleashed on the evil doings of the federal government in our Western states which have become entrenched over the decades much as the racial system called Jim Crow did in our Southern states in the decades following the Civil War.
And another General Patton "story" as portrayed in the 1970 movie. Patton trips over a sleeping soldier as he finds his new headquarters in disarray. The soldier rises from the floor and is asked by the general what he is doing. The soldier answers that he was getting some sleep. Patton responds that he should get back down sleeping, saying you're the 'only son of a ..... around here who knows what he's doing".
Well, Ammon Bundy, the late LaVoy Finicum and those arrested, charged and or at the refuge still when compared to the antics of the PPN seem to me to be the 'only sons of someone who know what they're doing' for better or worse.
If anyone wants to support them or the plight of Western farmers or ranchers, I hope they set the nonviolent examples of the past.
Wow! You haven’t posted since 2010 when you flipped out and ran away.
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I was here before you I will be here after you are gone. And I didn’t ‘flip out” . You are the same liar you have always been!
I was here before you I will be here after you are gone. And I didn’t ‘flip out” . You are the same liar you have always been!
Certainly not.
You just spent the last six years in an institution.
With sausage.
Bad girls! Send them to my room.
Yep. :)
Or the right?
The room without the dude in it. :-)
Hey I thought that was a pretty good shot of you..
Lucky Larry dern it all anyway!
As a matter of conscience they should be approached non-violently.
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That’s what MLK and his people did for example at Birmingham in the spring of 1963. When Bull Connor used the water cannon knocking men and women down and peeling their clothes off, when the dogs were set loose on young men and attacked them, there was outrage even from bystanders at the scene, who threw bricks at the police.
Once the visual images were spread around the country marches and violent clashes with police became commonplace nationwide.
So if non violent people unarmed come under FBI attack the possibility of ‘nonviolence’ ending and violence spreading would be very high based on my read of history.
JFK became so scared about the situation back then and the threat of white backlash against the Democrats including his own re-election in 1964 (the backlash finally hit them in 1966) that the FBI was ordered to spy on MLK.
The Democrats were spying to control and shut down MLK’s protest plans.
Ammon Bundy’s tactics, dare I say probably recommended by his father Cliven, are not tactics I agree with. MLK would not have done it.
But as the old saying goes ‘stuff happens’ and this is the ball of wax “We the People” have been handed to sort out.
Caving into the authorities and ending the occupation like the PPN group wanted to do doesn’t sound right to me.
The four people don’t want to come out and be arrested by the FBI. They have made their decision for better or quite likely worse.
So what can the rest of us do to help them in a way that is morally sound and follows conscience about non violence in the MLK-Gandhi tradition.
That is the notion I am suggesting.
Show up unarmed enmasse and walk into the FBI siege line is what I suggest as an alternative to suiting up with tactical gear and long guns to face the authorities in a bloody fight that you’ll lose outright for starters and in the long run because public opinion won’t end up being on your side.
Unarmed people triggering FBI violence would do a lot more to change minds about this situation that angry posturing with weapons.
The FBI side already fired the first shots and committed the first real act of violence in this situation, not Ammon Bundy and Company.
So it was the Chinese who set the fires that got the Hammonds into trouble?
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