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Steven Avery says his own brother killed Teresa Halbach
wbay.com ^ | 02/02/16 | Steve Schuster

Posted on 02/02/2016 9:55:26 PM PST by Reddy

Steven Avery has accused his own brother, Earl Avery, of murdering Teresa Halbach, during an exclusive interview with Access Hollywood this week, his brother said.

During one of Earl Avery’s first on-camera interviews he said while he hasn’t seen Steven in more than a decade, he talked with him via telephone for the first time in eight years, last week.

During that call Steven allegedly told Earl his new lawyers told him to say Earl killed Teresa Halbach, Earl says.

Earl also said that he believes Steven Avery may be granted a new trial in Wausau.

“Everybody in Manitowoc County is against us,” he said.

As previously reported by Action 2 News, Avery has secured new legal counsel, Kathleen Zellner, in the Chicago area.

Zellner recently said, “Since 2007 there have been significant advances in forensic testing,” and claims new information will be soon brought to light about latest Avery’s appeal.

Key players in the Steven Avery murder trial have received more recent attention after the release of the Netflix Series “Making a Murderer.”

Earl says he gets about 30 telephone calls a day from people who either hang up, or call him a murderer.

Alan Avery, Steven’s father, was also interviewed and said Steven’s mental state isn’t good.

“You’re locked up in a cage, it’s like one of my rabbits,” he said.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: brendandassey; stevenavery; teresahalbach
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To: Reddy
Why does the prosecutor not use Dassey's testimony in Avery's trial.

Because he didn't have to. Brendan Dassey was a terrible witness, so the prosecutor didn't call him. Guess what? That kind of thing happens all the time. You find you have the case in the bag, you don't present all of the evidence that's available. Every day in this country that's done. Nothing sinister about it, and in fact, there is nothing wrong with it, AT ALL.

There is no way that Dassey or Avery could clean up the bedroom to remove all of Halbach's DNA if they had murdered her there, as the DA claimed.

I'll be willing to consider this claim as soon as you show me your bona fides as an expert witness. Since you aren't one, I'm calling BS.

Absolutely NO DNA. After supposedly having her throat cut.

Supposedly according to whom? Brendan Dassey? NO ONE believed Brendan Dassey's account of the crime.

Why didn't the defense raise this issue at trial? Because they knew the prosecutor would be able to slap them down with a limitless number of forensic scientists who would have told them that there are lots of ways to suppress blood spatter that don't produce the kind of effect they're trying to insinuate in this film, and furthermore, other than the bullet fragment(s) [yes, there were more than one] we do not know how Teresa Halbach actually died.

This is what you don't get: in a courtroom, the evidence is examined. The defense can't just say any stupid thing in the world and have twelve gullible people believe it. The prosecution is going to impugn the testimony of their witnesses. It's going to demolish the credibility of their forensic claims. Many of these claims were only made in the film because the defense knew full well that had they been aired in open court they would have been destroyed.

21 posted on 02/02/2016 11:22:21 PM PST by FredZarguna (You did not see what I did there.)
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To: Reddy

Convincing evidence unless framed by an evil criminal mastermind. Her blood in his house and garage, her car key in his bedroom, her car on his property,her bone fragments and tissue in the burn pit 15 yds from his trailer, the last person known to be with her, his blood in her car, bullet with her blood on it recovered from his garage floor...


22 posted on 02/02/2016 11:24:12 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Reddy
I'm not the least bit concerned, because we already know who killed Teresa Halbach.

As for [I guess] ad hominem attacks, you are willing to impugn every person in the least bit connected to the case, accusing them of the vilest possible crimes, yet you feel ill-used because your "theories" make about as much sense as Steven Avery's mom's. Pot meet kettle.

23 posted on 02/02/2016 11:25:43 PM PST by FredZarguna (You did not see what I did there.)
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To: FredZarguna

“NO ONE believed Brendan Dassey’s account of the crime.”

Right. Yet he was convicted of murder.

Yes the evidence is examined. By the jurors. From Manitowok County.


24 posted on 02/02/2016 11:29:50 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy
Steven Avery's appeals on his rape conviction could not involve new evidence, and could only be heard as matters of law. There were no procedural errors in his rape case. No appeals court can second-guess a jury on the matter of determination based on evidence.

Retrial on matters of fact can occur only when: 1) significant facts were not known to the jury or 2) there is new evidence.

Guess what?

As soon as there was new evidence, Steven Avery was freed on the rape conviction. The system that you think is so awful actually worked. It took a long time, but it did work.

25 posted on 02/02/2016 11:30:01 PM PST by FredZarguna (You did not see what I did there.)
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To: Reddy
Brendan Dassey was convicted of murder because, faced with his confession -- only a few minutes of which you saw on the film -- and faced with his clearly coached testimony at trial, jurors decided to believe the FOUR HOURS of videotape of his confession.

Among other things, Dassey claims to have gotten the idea for the murder "from a book." Do you really believe that kid has ever read a book in his life? Really?

So now, we have another twelve people in your conspiracy. Those people were not "out to get" Steven Avery. So what was their nefarious motive for convicting Brendan Dassey?

At that point Steven Avery was already in the bag. There was no reason (other than the fact that they believed he was guilty) to convict Dassey.

Or are the people of Manitowoc County simply evil incarnate, who go around convicting kids of crimes for no reason?

Again: where does the limit of your "conspiracy" end?

26 posted on 02/02/2016 11:36:01 PM PST by FredZarguna (You did not see what I did there.)
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To: Eagles6

Her blood was never found in his house.

Her keys found in his house (after numerous searches.. by the MC sheriff’s department who were not supposed to be there) did not have her DNA on them. Just his.

Her car on his family’s property was found by her relative... within minutes yet the yard is acres upon acres. And after a LEO had discover the car with the same license plates elsewhere.

Her bone fragments found in a burn pit (and elsewhere!) after he had left the compound for weeks on end so that the area could be investigated).

He being the last person to see her alive.. he admits to the timeline of her being there to photograph the car. That doesn’t make him the killer.

His blood in her car. She was brutally murdered, yet his blood is found on the hood latch and by the ignition. He managed to wipe clean his entire home of her DNA but left a huge bloody print near the ignition? Right.

The single. bullet. with. no. other. dna. in. the. cluttered. garage. Impossible.


27 posted on 02/02/2016 11:36:15 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: FredZarguna

The conspiracy begins and ends with the MC sheriff’s department.

They refused to follow up on anyone besides Avery as a suspect.

They possibly planted evidence.

And with a multi-million dollar judgment looming, they had ample reasonable cause to do so.


28 posted on 02/02/2016 11:44:44 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: FredZarguna

Great summary.


29 posted on 02/02/2016 11:52:56 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Reddy
You're going with the frame up by the criminal mastermind I see.

The police I guess. Of course there would have to be numerous, evil, soulless people involved willing to risk everything to murder a young woman and frame an innocent man.

Or he's guilty.

Or maybe this Hispanic guy that hung around and is in prison for trying to chop his wife's head off with an axe is involved.

The parameter is "reasonable doubt" not "no doubt whatsoever".

30 posted on 02/02/2016 11:54:14 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Reddy

I know I haven’t been asleep since 2007, but I don’t recall ever hearing anything about these people or the case.


31 posted on 02/03/2016 3:03:41 AM PST by octex
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To: Reddy

. . . and the cat committed suicide.


32 posted on 02/03/2016 5:44:42 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: Eagles6

Definitely a frame up.

I don’t think she was killed by LEO’s.

Maybe her brother, mayber her ex-boyfriend, maybe Avery’s brother did it. Who knows? Nobody does because the sheriff’s office immediately began pinning the crime on Avery without ruling anyone else out.

There are just too many crazy aspects (no DNA anywhere except on specific objects in the garage and her car) to this case.

And convicting someone beyond a reasonable doubt is a much lower standard than “no doubt whatsoever”. GBARD wasn’t achieved in this trial because of the tampering by LEO.

I’m praying that someday justice will prevail for everyone involved.


33 posted on 02/03/2016 7:25:57 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

So you think that she was killed by someone else and numerous people in law enforcement decided to let the real killer go free and frame an innocent man?


34 posted on 02/03/2016 7:39:05 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: octex

This case was made known through the release of the documentary series, “Making a Murderer” on Netflix in December.

It’s the story of a team of filmmakers who are following the exoneration and release of Steven Avery after 18 years in prison for rape.

The filmmakers were documenting Avery’s fight for recompense from the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s department who he was suing for millions. Apparently, the handling of the rape case was so egregious against Avery that the county’s insurance company declared they would not cover any damages won by Avery. The Sheriff’s department was in very hot water and final depositions were being held where it was apparent that Avery was railroaded into the rape conviction.

During the filming, a woman (Teresa Halbach) comes up missing, and the last place she was seen was at the Avery family’s salvage yard taking pictures of a car for Auto Trader magazine. Avery had to settle the multi-million dollar wrongful rape conviction for $400,000 so that he could hire a lawyer to defend himself. The rest of the documentary examines how Avery was convicted of her murder, and raises questions about how the case was handled.

It’s a fascinating story and proves that justice is not always blind (wrongful conviction) and that prosecutors are sometimes as evil as the perpetrators.

In the meantime, Teresa Halbach is dead and two men may be in prison for crimes they didn’t commit. Avery has a new lawyer so there is some hope the truth will be eventually known.


35 posted on 02/03/2016 7:39:16 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Eagles6

“So you think that she was killed by someone else and numerous people in law enforcement decided to let the real killer go free and frame an innocent man?”

Well, it happened before in that same county (rape case) to that same man (Avery), didn’t it??


36 posted on 02/03/2016 7:40:45 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: BraveMan

No, he was killed by Avery.

There was no excuse for that. But I have a feeling that incident is what got him on the radar (plus his run in with his cousin who was married to a MC deputy) and resulted in him being railroaded for the rape.


37 posted on 02/03/2016 7:44:49 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

http://www.techinsider.io/making-a-murder-steven-avery-evidence-guilty-2016-1


38 posted on 02/03/2016 2:18:14 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Reddy
Sounds like the original rape conviction centered on the victim's unequivocal belief that Avery was her attacker rather than a LEO conspiracy.

I try to gather as much evidence as possible from multiple sources before taking a stand on an issue.

It would be unwise to make a determination based solely on storyline produced by someone sympathetic to the defendant.

Do I believe that it's possible that the county LEOs conspired to frame an innocent man for murder, putting their own freedom on the line, while allowing the real killer to go free?

Anything is possible though I haven't seen any evidence that it happened.

Now if this was the soetoro regime's DOJ, that would be a different story.

39 posted on 02/03/2016 2:43:43 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6

Here’s a link with interesting information that also includes links to the sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/40dquo/prodefense_information_that_was_left_out_of_mam/


40 posted on 02/05/2016 4:00:50 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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