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Black Death may have been lurking for centuries: DNA of plague victims in France backs up theory...
MailOnline ^ | By Ellie Zolfagharifard and Ryan O'Hare

Posted on 01/23/2016 7:57:47 PM PST by BenLurkin

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To: Zhang Fei

When Jean Carree was in Vietnam (did you know that factoid?) he got a Purple Heart for rice butt.


41 posted on 01/24/2016 8:03:11 AM PST by null and void (This war starts in the spiritual realm-it will end in ours though.)
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To: Ditter
In rural parts of New Mexico. Connected to some kind of nuts at least I have read that several years ago.

Hanta virus or plague?

42 posted on 01/24/2016 8:04:17 AM PST by null and void (This war starts in the spiritual realm-it will end in ours though.)
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To: null and void
No it was plague, rare but still out there. I can't remember what pine nuts had to do with it. Maybe people came to harvest pine nuts and the rats came to eat them and people were bitten by the fleas from the rats.

Some knowledgeable person will come along and tell me I am wrong, happens to me all the timeLOL!

30 years ago we used to hunt elk on the Indian reservations and I remember it from those hunts.

43 posted on 01/24/2016 8:11:42 AM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: Ditter
Maybe people came to harvest pine nuts and the rats came to eat them and people were bitten by the fleas from the rats.

Some knowledgeable person will come along and tell me I am wrong, happens to me all the time LOL!

That makes sense.

But you're wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!

44 posted on 01/24/2016 8:20:42 AM PST by null and void (This war starts in the spiritual realm-it will end in ours though.)
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To: null and void

See, I told you what would happen! Sob~~~~~


45 posted on 01/24/2016 8:28:38 AM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: Ditter
Ma'am photo a-tip-o-the-hat-to-you.jpg
46 posted on 01/24/2016 8:45:51 AM PST by null and void (This war starts in the spiritual realm-it will end in ours though.)
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To: null and void

Hat tip to you too, FRiend. ; )


47 posted on 01/24/2016 8:50:29 AM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: BenLurkin

A recurrence of plague would fit nicely with UN Agenda 21, which calls for reduction of Earth’s population by about 85%.


48 posted on 01/24/2016 8:51:48 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Texas Fossil
Some have said that rat urine on Pinon Pine nuts was a probable vector.?

So, the rats pee on the pine nuts instead of eating them? Who knew?

49 posted on 01/24/2016 8:53:33 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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Have you ever been around rats who eat into seed bags? they scatter most of it and urinate on the rest. Know the smell?


50 posted on 01/24/2016 9:24:15 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Well, I know the locals where I once lived quit trading in pine nuts. I was told because of rats transmitting Plague.

You may be correct that I was not accurate enough in my description.

In Central TX, this has been the “year of the rat”. 1st wet year after 4 year “great drought”. Huge cricket and insect crop, explosion of pasture overgrowth. Huge explosion of animal life, quail (smile), wild turkey, wild hogs, rats, squirrels (tree rats) and mice.

When we were planting one of our wheat patches this season we found huge holes dug all over one farm. Then we saw the culprit, the largest and fattest coyote I’ve ever seen. Looks like he was feeding exclusively on rats.

We have been fighting a hard battle in our shops at the farm controlling rats & mice. We are in the seed business and the screenings draw the vermin.

We keep liquid rat poison in the shops and closed barns and have recently been putting out wheat screenings mixed with cement. The cement really does a number on the rats. And it is cheap.

I killed one 2 days ago and it was as large as a small cotton tail rabbit. And it was fat, probaly feeding on crickets.

They have done great damage to our tractor wiring. Everyone is fighting to keep them out of farm equipment. Nasty destructive critters.


51 posted on 01/24/2016 9:38:19 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

You are right, squirrels do the same thing.


52 posted on 01/24/2016 9:56:55 AM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: Texas Fossil

I remembered there was plague occasionally in NM and it was somehow connected to Pine nuts but I couldn’t quite remember how it was transmitted.


53 posted on 01/24/2016 10:02:04 AM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: Texas Fossil

The problem was that sometimes the locals would bet into packrat middens to take the pinion nuts that were gathered there.

We had a huge pinion crop this year, folks were all over the woods out here.


54 posted on 01/24/2016 11:13:21 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Bob434; BenLurkin; SunkenCiv; blam; All

I read some time ago that black plague was endemic in wild rodent populations in 17 western states. Yersinia pestis has three forms: bubonic, pneumonic and septicemic. Bubonic occurs in relatively healthy people and is survivable. The buboes are blackened blood filled lymph glands which indicates the immune system is working. Septicemic is a total infection of the blood in people with deficient immune systems and kills almost all very quickly. Pneumonic is spread from one person to another by coughing and sneezing. It attacks the lungs and is rapidly fatal to almost all. A significant change in Europe may have been the shift of plague from wild rodents to black rats which often lived in houses with people, thus spreading the infected fleas. Subsequently, the plague seemed to shift to Norway rats which are sewer and cellar rats and less likely to infect people.


55 posted on 01/24/2016 11:26:05 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Yep- it’s nasty stuff- and like you mentioned, these shifts in hosts can have devastating effects- I didn’t realize there was the systemic plague as well- that’s pretty nasty-

The fella who died after skinning that bobcat in the NY article I believe threw the skin the back seat of his car, a friend borrowed the car, and ended up either sick or dying as well if I recall right- although that NY article didn’t mention that part- seems as though UI recall having read that a few years ago- Being a trapper at the time, I was a bit taken aback by the story-

Then there’s hunta virus- which is different, but can be just as deadly- that is in urine of mice though- mostly out west, but even out east a few cases of people dying from it

It’s kinda frightening the things that are lurking in the wilds, and even in our own homes- plagues, viruses, lyme disease, (several tick bourne diseases), west nile virus, chagas disease, on and on and on it goes- it’s amazing that these things don’t just wipe everyone out-


56 posted on 01/24/2016 11:42:07 AM PST by Bob434
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To: BobL

Most of the really bad ones (Ebola, Marburg and likely AIDS) seem to have originated near Lake Victoria, which is in Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania. The alpha and omega of mankind.


57 posted on 01/24/2016 11:42:25 AM PST by matthew fuller (Americans want to win, after seven years of a faggot muslim surrender monkey that hates America!)
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To: Bob434; All

That bobcat skin may have had infected fleas which went to the nearest warm body, the guy who borrowed the car, and perhaps the original hunter. Have you heard about the latest threat? Zika virus that gives pregnant women babies with shrunken brains—microcephaly. It may be coming to a southern state near you where it is mosquito borne.


58 posted on 01/24/2016 11:49:02 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Texas Fossil

[[Have you ever been around rats who eat into seed bags? they scatter most of it and urinate on the rest. Know the smell?]]

Yep- know the smell well- worked on a bison ranch for awhile- rats and flying squirrels- the squirrel would get into the feed barrels, we’d open the cover of the barrel and those things would leap out at us- often times hitting us lol- but yeah, the urine stench is disgusting- and the animals end up eating that crap too- Ugggh!


59 posted on 01/24/2016 11:50:35 AM PST by Bob434
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To: gleeaikin

yep heard of that new one- there’s a travel advisory on and there are like 20 countries/destinations that are on the list- and yep- it’s coming ot the states too no doubt-


60 posted on 01/24/2016 11:52:20 AM PST by Bob434
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