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Is the spiritual battle between good and evil currently intensifying? (Vanity discussion)
me | 1-9-2016 | me

Posted on 01/09/2016 5:00:43 PM PST by matt1234

If yes, what evidence can you cite, and what explanation can you offer? I was prompted to ask because I find myself facing much greater temptation in recent months, precisely when my personal circumstances suggest that I should be facing much less temptation. This makes no sense, so I seeking an explanation. My initial question suggests one possible answer: that God and His agents as well as Satan and his agents are increasing their efforts to control people's souls. I am sure FReepers can suggest other answers.

I will not elaborate on the temptation I'm facing other than to say this: I have not yielded to it.

I welcome all input from the dogmatic to the philosophical to the secular. I think the topic is a fascinating one.

Thank you in advance.


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To: matt1234
Infestation by the wolves/slamics, the slaughter of the sheep/Christians, and betrayal by the shepherds/leaders.

The war in Heaven is heating up on Earth. Fleshly death is a assured, whether you side with Christ or not. and you will likely be the target of corporeal destruction sooner rather than latter if you choose Christ, but eternal salvation of your soul is only ensured if you choose the right side in this war.

Take courage from the One who died for us.

41 posted on 01/09/2016 6:48:12 PM PST by Sirius Lee (Cruz or Lose 2016)
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To: matt1234

OK...I will take your word for it.

I say that because most people are not tempted by any of the other six deadly sins. Lust is the only one that makes a man stop and ask before. The others are done without aforethought and it is only after when they have a reckoning.

If you are being tempted to one of the other six, which is a fairly complete list, then you must consider the outcome of non-participation as well as the outcome of engagement thereof. There are adverse possibilities either way. One has to identify and evaluate all of the potential outcomes.

I tend to look at life as like a game of 8-ball. You can play it shot by shot and evaluate your alternatives as you progress, or you can try to play it three or four shots down the line. The first can be successful but it depends to a degree on serendipity, the latter can leave you the winner based on a calculated plan to pocket what you can, and leave the cue for the next shooter with no shot to make or even force him to scratch.

Sometimes you must sin to prevent grievous injury to yourself from the sins of others. It depends to what degree you are willing to proceed.


42 posted on 01/09/2016 6:53:03 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: matt1234

It’s the “Last Days,” the devil and his followers are loosed in their last ditch effort to thwart God’s work. Look around you, lots of evil, yet a great deal of good! You must hedge yourself about with righteousness to withstand the temptation which will surely come. We will all face it and must find refuge in His Word! The Savior said of these times that if possible the very elect might be deceived we will find protection in treasuring His Word!


43 posted on 01/09/2016 7:00:04 PM PST by bobfeland (To be learned is good if you,hearten to the counsel of God!)
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To: matt1234
I work in the editorial department of a newspaper. I sift through the general email account daily; most of it is either irrelevant junk or propaganda, but some of it is clearly anti-God nonsense wrapped in the serpent's lies. I used to almost reflexively delete this stuff, but lately it's started to wear on me. It was in the context of a society gone completely off the rails and the anger and bitterness that is taking root in me that I tried to cultivate the discussion.
44 posted on 01/09/2016 7:00:25 PM PST by JoeDonnellymakesmepuke
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To: JoeDonnellymakesmepuke

Thanks for the details. The vehemence of some atheists is truly astonishing. It goes way beyond a denial. It a compulsion to destroy and obliterate. One cannot help but wonder if there is a demonic force behind it.


45 posted on 01/09/2016 7:27:21 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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To: UCANSEE2

No, it’s both.

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
II Tim. 3:13, but the entire chapter tells us what’s coming. And it looks like the birth pangs are getting closer and closer together. As we approach the end of the gentile age and God again starts to deal specifically with the nation of Israel, the Holy Spirit will decrease his restraining of evil. It will look more and more like the Devil is winning. Christ warned “be not deceived” for a reason.


46 posted on 01/09/2016 7:40:09 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: matt1234
You are the second person in this thread to cite that verse.

And yet, I'm the first person to cite Isaiah 5:20-21. :-)

Woe unto those that call good evil, and evil good.

47 posted on 01/09/2016 7:40:52 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: matt1234; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...

I think it is because the enemy knows his time is short.

I also think that there was an increase in spiritual activity when Jesus walked the earth.

When God moves, Satan does not sit idly by.

You’re not the only one facing increased spiritual activity.


48 posted on 01/09/2016 8:21:15 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: matt1234
The vehemence of some atheists is truly astonishing. It goes way beyond a denial. It a compulsion to destroy and obliterate. One cannot help but wonder if there is a demonic force behind it.

I don't wonder.

IMO, there's only one force behind the *I will exalt myself* mentality.

49 posted on 01/09/2016 8:31:23 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: matt1234
I am going to suggest you read James Chapter two very carefully.

The answer to your question here is found in verse 13 and 14.

Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.

No you are not a bad person to be tempted. We all are. And there is no time when we are safe from temptation.

You just have a weak spot that is being worked on. You can either ask the Lord to give you strength to resist and grace to endure or you can give in.

But still, read James Two. In fact, read the whole book of James. It is one of the short ones.

50 posted on 01/09/2016 8:45:58 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: matt1234
I only say this......and a good measure to remember...it was shared with me many years ago and stuck....

The degree of intensity/frequency of the temptation will always be directly in proportion to 'what you stand to gain by resisting. I would then suggest there's something very good you stand to gain that will prove itself in time.

51 posted on 01/09/2016 8:57:25 PM PST by caww
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To: matt1234
You're welcome; thank you for the post.

One of the emails that really set me off last year was from an atheist organization whining on behalf of a college student whose parochial school wouldn't recognize her atheist student group.

Add in the press releases from the gay lobby, ACLU,gun-control nuts, climate change communists, and every other left-wing freedom-hating group and it feels like an all-out assault on everything that's good.

You mentioned temptation in your original post. My temptation is toward bitterness, anger, and despair, even though Jesus has already secured victory.

I'll pray for you.

52 posted on 01/09/2016 8:57:29 PM PST by JoeDonnellymakesmepuke
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To: matt1234

If your temptation is adultery the only question you have to ask yourself is how would you feel if your spouse cheated on you? If you can be tempted can’t your spouse/significant other also be tempted. I will pray for your temptation to leave you in peace.


53 posted on 01/09/2016 9:05:01 PM PST by Cats Pajamas
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To: caww

Great advice. Thanks.


54 posted on 01/09/2016 9:15:06 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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To: ElainaVer

....”wonder if the Holy Spirit (The Restrainer)is slowly leaving this old planet”.....

I think there’s some truth to that and accounts for much of what we’re seeing today....that coupled with the fact man’s “free will” has certainly determined he will do what he wants regardless and according to what he determines himself as his own standards to live by....his own so called “truth”...which is deception.

Therefore I think the evil we see flourishing more is because people have left themselves wide open to being “deceived”.....they are not grounded....rather get tossed about with every new teaching, or old ones drawn from the gutters of the past dressed in different colors...that create a false sense of self security....again “deception”.

Further....We know it’s written it will eventually, if not already ...”Be as the days of Noah”...but society’s definition of what is “evil” has also changed. (Because they’re deceived)....so if they cannot define
evil, except by their own standards, then how do they compare it to history?..... How can one actually say there is evil without some standard of good to measure it by?

The real question we need to ask is what is evil and what is good?.... For the answer there must be an ultimate source to go to or we are left to our individual opinions.... If we reject good found ‘in Gods standards’ the source of all morality and ethics then there is only the opposite to be done.

BTW.... Those who enter eternity without having trusted in Christ for salvation will understand just how effectively God has dealt with the problem of evil because they may not be there.


55 posted on 01/09/2016 9:53:41 PM PST by caww
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To: matt1234

God doesn’t lead us into temptation......Spiritual warfare is ‘a personal resistance’ for each of us ‘against our own sinful desires’.... which the enemy will use to his advantage.... He will try ‘to annul our effectiveness’ and tempt us to walk contrary to the standards of God’s word.

Much of what is tempting us is really man’s own fallen nature expressing itself through his flesh.... we can honestly blame ourselves for most of the activity we see today.

However...we do have the authority and the strength to resist temptations and lies by deferring to God, submitting to God, standing in Christ, and putting on His armor..... We are able to resist his temptations, because greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world. (Ephesians 6:12; James 4:7)

Remember when Jesus was tempted by the devil he resisted him by quoting scripture that was ‘relevant to his situation.’.... He destroyed the lie propagated ‘by putting the truth next to it’.

Jesus stood to GAIN much ‘by resisting’...(All of mankind)....had he lost the temptations in the desert all men would be doomed.


56 posted on 01/09/2016 10:25:09 PM PST by caww
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To: matt1234
I sense the battle escalating and have Satan whispering in my ear all the time. Sometimes I win by saying the Lord's Prayer (the one Jesus specifically gave us and complete for most any purpose) and sometimes I listen more than I should.

I think of Paul's lament about doing that which he would not do and not doing that which he would do. Couple that with the line about the poor in spirit inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven - to me it means that we are human and cannot totally abstain from sinful thought/activities (else He wouldn't have had to die for us) but regretting it in our hearts and going to Him in prayer with a repenitent heart is what makes us "poor in spirit". In short - we realize our sinful natures and don't act proud by claiming that we are able to avoid all sinful activity (like some of the holier-than-thou folk who constantly judge others by comparing them to the standards they fantasize themselves to meet).

The up side is it gives us more reason/opportunity to go to Him in prayer and He loves to hear from us whether it be in joy or in despair - He stores our prayers in front of the altar at the foot of His throne and any time we go to Him, it eases the pangs of our souls because that's how He rolls.

God Bless - the battle is going to get even uglier and our hearts and souls will often ache with the Evil trying to take the glorious feeling of our Salvation from us - the Evil One can't steal our Salvation, but he can keep us from reveling in it as He wants us to.

57 posted on 01/10/2016 4:30:18 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: matt1234
Is the spiritual battle between good and evil currently intensifying?

Can't say; but the line between the two seems less blurry.

58 posted on 01/10/2016 4:39:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: caww
"Spiritual warfare is "a personal resistance" for each of us "against our own sinful desires"

Such a position has already lost the battle.

We do have volitional responsibility, but we are ONLY victorious through faith in Christ. If we resist in our thinking, independently of thinking through faith in Christ, we have already fallen out of fellowship with Him.

The legalist seeks to obey the Law as a panacea for simply remaining in fellowship with God through faith in Christ in all things.

It is far better to place all things in His hands and rest in Him, than to try and perform good for Him independently of Him.

59 posted on 01/10/2016 4:56:55 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: matt1234
We may be experiencing what it is like when God withdraws His restraints ... evil is rising and it IS alarming. Hallmark of this rise is the increasing 'up is down', 'wrong is right', to do evil is normal, 'degeneracy is an alternate lifestyle our children must tolerate and eventually embrace.' In the Old Testament we read of similar times, with the following identifying theme: In those days there was no king in Israel, and every man did what was right in his own eyes. In the Church Age, the king in the heart is either God's Holy Spirit spark, or satan's inveigling.
60 posted on 01/10/2016 5:19:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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