Posted on 01/06/2016 6:03:47 PM PST by OddLane
We have both had the privilege of heading the Office of the Solicitor General during different administrations. We may have different ideas about the ideal candidate in the next presidential election, but we agree on one important principle: voters should be able to choose from all constitutionally eligible candidates, free from spurious arguments that a U.S. citizen at birth is somehow not constitutionally eligible to serve as President simply because he was delivered at a hospital abroad.
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If you have to be naturalized before you can become a citizen, then you are not a natural born citizen.
There is no third category: you're either naturalized or you're natural born.
But, but Lord Trump of the House of Lords, that great legal authority, says Ted Cruz was born in Canada so cannot run for president. If Lord Trump says so, it must be do.
Check this out, there appears to be a few issues:
To: Behind the Blue Wall
The “original” SR511 definition of NBC ( http://www.leahy.senate.gov/press/the-introduction-of-a-senate-resolution ) signed by Obama, Clinton, Leahy, Coburn, Webb and McCaskill and verified by Chertoff, states very plainly that NBC means born in the USA of two US citizen parents. The SR511 that Congress vetted McCain with ( https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text ) is a watered down version but still states TWO US CITIZENS.
There is a reason Leahy has kept the original version on his website all these years.
104 posted on 1/6/2016 11:59:46 AM by bgill (CDC site, “We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola”)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3380307/posts?page=104#104
To: Wissa
“Don’t you think it would be better for Cruz to put all the documentation and facts out there”
Don’t hold your breath, looks like Cruz is going the Obama route
“At present, all FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests filed in search of any U.S. citizenship documents to confirm the true official U.S. citizenship status of Ted Cruz have been denied access. All citizenship records for Ted Cruz are sealed unless and until Ted Cruz agrees to allow any such records to be released by either U.S. or Canadian agencies.”
http://www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams317.htm
At the tail end of the article 6 paragraphs before the end.
115 posted on 1/6/2016 12:26:27 PM by jpsb
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3380307/posts?page=115#115
That said I think Trump and Cruz are coordinating - even on this birther thing.
Won’t matter. Trumpskis are worried that Cruz actually is conservative and their blow hard idol may not end up winning in Iowa and/or New Hapmshire.
1) Trump didnât say âheâ doesnât think Cruz is ineligible. He said he has heard that said by others and it could be a problem for the party. He was responding to a question by a reporter.
2) Trump did not say Cruz was eligible previously. He said various people have said that and be understand is has been checked out and therefore Cruz should be fine.
Both are different than whatâs being reported. Imagine that.
Is it tactical of fair game to say âothers are mentioning itâ? Absolutely. Is it fair game for Cruz to respond to it by saying other candidates are panicking or Trump âjumped the sharkâ? Absolutely. Does it mean thereâs a âriftâ between the two? No. Theyâre both running for President and are 1 or 2 in most polls. They know they would make a good team but they also both want to be top dog. its the nature of the business.
-—Neal Kaytal and Paul Clement——
Obviously, these two are Cruz bots.../S
I think you may be right.
I’m overruling Lord Trump, because unlike Lord Trump both of my parents were natural born US citizens.
Actually, Trumpski’s are prett excited about Cruz being VP.
BS! Trump didn’t say Cruz couldn’t run. He said it should be settled before the election or it could cause problems. When will the outright lies stop?
Trump is addressing the dilemma republicans are creating for themselves by not being logically consistent. Many republicans/conservatives questioned Obamaâs eligibility using a standard they now refuse to use with Cruz. Logical inconsistencies like that makes republicans/conservatives look like idiots.
So did they finally admit that 0bumkiss is not legally qualified to be POTUS?
Exactly right. You are a citizen at the moment of birth, i.e. “natural born”, or made as if natural, i.e. “naturalized.”
The law specifies certain conditions under which a person is a citizen at the moment of birth, i.e. “natural born.” There are multiple ways to be natural born if not physically born within the 50 United States.
Cruz’s mother’s status clearly falls under that law, as did McCain’s parentage (He was born in the Panama Canal Zone) Romney’s (He was born in Mexico) and even Barry Goldwater (He was born in the Arizona Territory.)
Donald, run on the issues, not on this BS. Trump is a fool for having raised the issue.
Natural born refers to someone who can be nothing else because both parents are citizens of the United States and the birth occurred within the jurisdiction of the United States. A "law" or "statute" is not required to determine your citizenship stature, these are man-made definers as opposed to your natural condition defined by the nature of your birth circumstances. Thus "natural born".
Neither one of those documents contains the word TWO although they do use the plural words: 'parents', 'citizens', and 'Americans'. Both documents and the associated remarks are clearly centered on the case of McCain.
BTW I didn't realize that McCain will be 80 this year.
Ah, and suddenly the media is interested in what constitutes a natural born citizen.
Of course Trump is worried. Cruz is leading in the first state to vote and in the states with the largest # of delegates. (CA and TX). Trump can’t attack Cruz on policy issues so he concern trolls about the birther issue.
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