Posted on 01/03/2016 11:38:24 AM PST by conservativejoy
Donald Trump was on Face the Nation, and had an epic tantrum. Right now he's so scared of losing to Ted Cruz, he's having to lash out in ridiculous ways. It's interesting seeing what Trump looks like when he's behind, he knows he's behind, and he's wetting-his-pants scared of being the big, fat loser.
Here's the key transcript:
DICKERSON: When you say about Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100%, "Not too many evangelicals come out of Cuba," what does that mean?
TRUMP: Well, it just means that Cuba generally speaking is a Catholic country. And you don't equate evangelicals with Cuba. I don't. I mean, I think of evangelicals, and i have, I guess I am. You know, I'm Presbyterian. I'm Protestant. But I don't see it coming out of Cuba.
DICKERSON: But you're not questioning whether - I mean, as far as you know, he could be more devout than you are.
TRUMP: It's possible. Certainly it's possible. I'm not questioning it. And I say it in a somewhat smiling manner. But there's a little truth to it.
What strikes me first about this is that Trump feels the need to attack Ted Cruz's Christianity as fake. Trump wants you to think that Cruz is a secret Catholic, only pretending to be a Baptist (SBC) in order to get votes in Iowa.
Does anyone actually believe this? If you've ever heard Ted Cruz speak in your life, you know that he's been going to and paying attention in church. His style of speaking is the tell. He gets in your face, he lectures you. He wants you to get right with government. He could sprinkle his speeches with "Can I get an amen?" and it would sound natural. You can't look into his heart and know what he truly believes, but it's obvious he's been going to church and paying attention to his pastors.
But next, it's obvious Trump is pretty out of touch with what's going on in Presbyterianism in America. He's so hot to try to tar Cruz as a secret Catholic, but when given the chance, he's not taking a stand in the great conflict right now in American Presbyterianism. Let me explain.
The biggest Presbyterian Church in our country is the Presbyterian Church (USA). PCUSA currently has about 1.7 million members. That's been dropping for decades, but it started dropping faster in 2012, after the 2011 ratification of Amendment 10-A to the Book of Order, which would allow ordination of non-chaste homosexuals.
The large drop represents entire local churches abandoning PCUSA in favor of the Presbyterian Church in America. PCA takes a much more traditional view on most social issues, and has grown to have about 350,000 members. PCA and PCUSA have had to go to court over the ownership of church buildings and property, of the local congregations who flipped from PCUSA to PCA.
For Trump to speak of himself being Presbyterian, without mentioning which kind of Presbyterian he is, tells me one thing: Trump likely attends church at a PCUSA congregation, which would mean he stuck with the group that permits abortion (it is deemed morally acceptable), homosexual priests, homosexual 'blessings' as pseudo-marriages, and free divorce.
Donald Trump is throwing stones, but the evidence suggests he's got a glass house on this issue. Not a smart tactic, and a mark of scared desperation on his part.
“catnipman has never read the New Testament.”
read it cover to cover multiple times, multiple editions. just gotta love the assumptions sanctimonious azzholes make here about others they know absolutely nothing about.
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Then the meaning never sunk in, lacking the Holy Spirit.
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AMEN!
LOL. My wife told me a few weeks ago he sounds like a Baptist preacher. Apparently she isn’t the only one who thinks that way. There is something hinky about him. I see it too. It is almost like he is trying too hard and not being true to his innermost beliefs. Trump on the other hand seems like the honey badger that “doesn’t give a flyin f@#%”.
I like Cruz, but Trump is my first choice because he seems to not give a damn and tells it like it is.
The stupid title is as far as I got.
LOL. My wife told me a few weeks ago he sounds like a Baptist preacher. Apparently she isn’t the only one who thinks that way. There is something hinky about him. I see it too. It is almost like he is trying too hard and not being true to his innermost beliefs.
That’s the problem with Cruz. You don’t know what is beltway/campaign theater and what is genuine. At times his actions do not match the rhetoric. Campaigning for Obama’s TPA, his H-1B propsal, etc., etc.
Then there is his better half “working” for Goldman Sachs. Whodathunk the path to God was through Goldman Sachs?
“Then the meaning never sunk in, lacking the Holy Spirit.”
Amazing! Yet MORE assumptions from sanctimonious azzholes about folks they know absolutely nothing about!
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We know what you post, and the logical consequences thereof.
That is all we need.
Wow. Isn’t he a picture. Not even a mother could love that face. I mean WOW! Fugly to the nth degree. Soft and squishy and greasy to boot with an extremely asymmetrical face. 100% chance of bouncy man boobs to boot. All I can say is yuck.
“We know what you post, and the logical consequences thereof. That is all we need.”
ROTFLOL!
The Goldman thing is a real concern of mine too. I think his core is in the right place (I hope), but Heidi could be the second coming of the Hildabeast, and that scares the crap out of me. Why haven’t we seen her out campaigning for Ted much? A wife influences her husband. Melania is arm candy. Heidi causes me concern, but I would 100% back a Trump/Cruz ticket.
“I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.†George Washington
I do not believe it is a question of Christians being active in our culture,. I have a huge question about the so called Seven Mountains...and hat is included, but above all, what is left out.
I suppose I am highly suspicious of “Dominionism” and of any “Religion” which departs on a path which seems just too highly “commercial.”
I would suggest you dive a bit deeper into the question of Dominionism and Cruz and his father’s part in it.
Just my opinion, but enough to give me pause.
I DO think prayers should be back in school along with the Pledge of Allegiance and Christian Clubs. Secularism has gone too far. I do not believe the Constitution was meant to lead to Freedom FROM Religion, but simply meant to prevent the establishment of a PARTICULAR religion, i.e. Church of England, Lutheran, Catholic, etc. as was the custom in European countries and often led to wars of religion.
Wetting his pants? What is this - an article by a fourth grader? Twisted. Figures - Red State.
Trump is a lifelong devout Evangelical. Who knows if Cruz has ever been inside a church.
Trump went to mass at an Episcopalian church (the same one he was married at), not a Catholic church. I have never heard of him attending a Catholic mass at any time. He has said a while back that he usually goes to church for Christmas Eve services. Your posts have some rather incorrect assumptions about Trump.
In addition to the Marble Collegiate, he sometimes attends the Episcopalian Bethesda-by-the-Sea church in Palm Beach. I don’t think he is a member of either, but his association with the Marble Collegiate has gone back for decades. Even in the 1980s, people were already writing about the profound influence the Marble Collegiate’s famous preacher and writer Norman Vincent Peale had on Trump. I believe Trump’s parents’ funerals were held there too in 1999 and 2000, respectively.
As a boy, he had his confirmation as a member of the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, NYC. From what I understand, he had to have religious classes and a profession of faith as part of being confirmed.
In addition to the Marble Collegiate, he sometimes attends the Episcopalian Bethesda-by-the-Sea church in Palm Beach. I don’t think he is a member of either, but his association with the Marble Collegiate has gone back for decades. Even in the 1980s, people were already writing about the profound influence the Marble Collegiate’s famous preacher and writer Norman Vincent Peale had on Trump. I believe Trump’s parents’ funerals were held there too in 1999 and 2000, respectively.
As a boy, he had his confirmation as a member of the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, NYC. From what I understand, he had to have religious classes and a profession of faith as part of being confirmed.
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Thanks FB. Yes, I see he has attended both on occasion. He’s of the “go to Church at Easter, Christmas, weddings and funerals type of Christian”...but that’s OK because most American Christians have similar Church going habits.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-christmas-midnight-mass-217102
Trump is a lifelong devout Evangelical. Who knows if Cruz has ever been inside a church.
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Jeez, ‘nick’, you sure don’t keep yourself very well informed or you’d know the answer to the question implied in your 2nd sentence. But perhaps, just perhaps, you DO know the answer to that question and are feigning ignorance.
BOTH Trump and Cruz are Christians.
Just to have a discussion...
I am a religious social conservative.
I had never heard the term “dominionism” until some here on FR was linking it to Cruz or his father.
Just reading a little about the term or their ideas, it seems like they encourage Christians to actively participate in all aspects of our culture.
Am I simplifying that too much?
It seems to me someone used the term “dominionism” to disparage any Christian activism.
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Yes, someone here has indeed used the term “dominionism” to disparage any Christian activism and, specifically to disparage Ted Cruz. And, upon googling (actually ‘duck-duck-going’) the term, I see that he/she likely goes to leftist sites to get his/her crap to use to attack Ted Cruz.
The fact is that NEITHER Trump or Cruz is of the religious “nut” persuasion. They are, instead, Christians...PERIOD.
Dominionism is actually a model used by some Christians for intercessory prayer. The attacks on Cruz’s father are baseless. I have read many of Cruz’s dad’s sermons and speeches. He is strictly main stream Christianity.
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