Posted on 11/06/2015 6:30:51 PM PST by sparklite2
"If you go to St Mark's cathedral in Venice, there's a medieval depiction showing people using the three great pyramids of Giza as granaries in Joseph's story," says John Darnell, a professor of Egyptology at Yale University.
The belief was also popularised by Saint Gregory of Tours, a sixth century Frankish bishop, who wrote: "They are wide at the base and narrow at the top in order that the wheat might be cast into them through a tiny opening, and these granaries are to be seen to the present day."
The Book of John Mandeville, a popular 14th Century travel memoir, also referred to "Joseph's Granaries, which he had made to store the wheat for hard times".
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
Here, from the "poorly written, liberal piece of crap" article is what they, your own expert sources, have to say:
"Experts are thrilled by this trove of papyri. Mark Lehner, the head of Ancient Egypt Research Associates, who has worked on the pyramids and the Sphinx for 40 years, has said it may be as close as he is likely to get to time-traveling back to the age of the pyramid builders. Zahi Hawass, the Egyptian archaeologist, and formerly the chief inspector of the pyramid site and minister of antiquities, says that it is “the greatest discovery in Egypt in the 21st century."
Concerning Lehner, further the article says:
"But the papyri offer important support for a hypothesis that Lehner had been developing for several years--that the ancient Egyptians, masters of canal building, irrigation and otherwise redirecting the Nile to suit their needs, built a major harbor or port near the pyramid complex at Giza. Accordingly, Merer transported the limestone from Tura all the way to Giza by boat. "I think the Egyptians intervened in the flood plain as dramatically as they did on the Giza Plateau," Lehner says, adding: "The Wadi al-Jarf papyri are a major piece in the overall puzzle of the Great Pyramid."
So where do we get the idea that we know who built the great pyramid?
Your own expert sources Lehner and Hawass.
Where do we get the idea that the pyramids were built as tombs?
Your own expert sources Lehner and Hawass.
And your assertion that there are no writing from the time the pyramids were built?
False. They have found them.
But you lean on Lehner and Hawass when it suits your narrative (i.e. how the workers were treated), but when their expertise doesn't suit your narrative, you discount them.
So which is it? Do we know how the workers were treated and therefore know when and why the pyramids were built, or do we not consider Lehner and Hawass as the authority?
When I visited Cairo and toured the pyramids there, it seemed obvious that the Giza Pyramids were not built as tombs as were others in Egypt. And ever since I have been very interested in reading theories and research about this.
Of course, I am not an historian, nor an archaeologist, so I can’t say with any authority. The one authority that I do hold up to any of these theories is the Holy Bible which I believe to be inspired by God and literally true and accurate. I have yet seen no evidence in the Bible to even remotely suggest that the Giza Pyramids were the grain storage structures that Joseph built, not does it seem plausible having toured them.
One of the very BEST documentaries I have seen on the evidence presented that the Giza Pyramids were not tombs, and were built long before the Egyptian dynasties, and possibly pre-Noah’s flood is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WBh-WYS-iE
Enjoy, and let me know what you think of it.
You are in thrall to a liberal slanted rag. Hawass and Lehner are not ‘my’ sources, I only mentioned them because they are the recognized ‘authorities’.
Lehner and Hawass have a vested interest in keeping the public believing some early 19th century theory and Bible pounders are just as bad in that regard. Sure some of their findings are likely right, but only promulgated when those facts fit their paradigm; other interpretations of the same facts are forbidden.
The government of Egypt supports them to get tourist to flock to the sites because tourism is the only industry in Egypt. It is one big financial generating circle.
The rest of your post conflates various ideas that are not related to what I said. End of discussion.
Not only accurate, IMO, it's well done and very entertaining.
The trailer looks interesting. The feature isn’t available on Netflix but I did find it on Amazon FireTV. Added it to my streaming watchlist. Thanks.
The Smithsonian article was just used as an example of evidence that there are in fact writings from the time of Khufu that show why, how, and when the Great Pyramid was built.
That one article is not the end-all-be-all of sources, but it is one where people can click on it and read some of the things we were discussing.
The research and hard work done by Egyptologists over the years can not be summed up in a single thread on Freerepublic, but your claims that no one knows because there isn’t any contemporaneous writing can be shown to be objectively wrong.
I appeal to the work of Lehner and Hawass and those others who have actually done archeology to discover information about the pyramids. You rely on those sources for some issues, and dismiss them when it doesn’t fit your narrative.
The conditions of the workers and how they were treated is built up entirely from the work of Lehner and Hawass who discovered the city of workers and pieced together the story of them from the finds.
These same men have confirmed in their work that Khufu did indeed order his tomb built, it was a ten to twenty year project, and this was the purpose of the Great Pyramid.
I am not “in thrall” with the Smithsonian magazine, I just recognize the authority of those that have spent 40+ years doing the actual work.
The thread in question had nothing to do with Lehner, Hawass, the Great Pyramid, or anything like that. It had to do with a mistaken belief that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain.
But you had to come in here and try to set everyone straight on why they, and 90% of Egyptologists, were wrong by dropping spurious and outright false fact.
And you got called on it.
Tough crap. Maybe you should have passed on the opportunity to show off.
OK, not a wacko - but certainly someone with very little knowledge of that piece of archeology and the lack of judgment to make pronouncements about subjects they don't know much about.
I've been inside all of the pyramids and they are cramped, dark, humid, and absolutely useless for grain storage. Weren't too successful for treasure storage, either.
Patterns of Evidence Bible Study 1
Patterns of Evidence The Exodus Part 2
There are discussions of earlier Egyptian history (prior to exodus) as well, IIRC. I would be very interested in your thoughts after you have had a chance to view it. :-)
Agreed. Just like most of us:)
Good Grief! - Such acrimony is why discussions are becoming more and more impossible and pointless on FR.
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