JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald- and 50 years of conspiracy nonsense

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[NRx]

I am wearing my asbestos underwear for this one.

[BridgeOutAhead]

Ruby was so batshit crazy nobody would have been stupid enough to include him in on a conspiracy even to knock off a gumball machine. Oswald did it alone

[planter]

This is NOT a bullet that went through human bone and flesh.

Oh, but it most certainly is. It sustained no deformation in passing through flesh but it did have its velocity reduced. It began tumbling upon leaving Kennedy's neck and by the time it struck Connally's rib it was somewhat side on. That is what caused the longitudinal flattening that we can see on the bullet. By the time it struck Connally's radius bone, the bullet was travelling at below its deformation velocity. It was enough to fracture the bone but not enough to deform the bullet.

The above bullet had been fired into a human wrist during tests by Failure Analysis Associates in 1992. They had reduced the powder charge in order to decrease it's velocity.

"The test bullet was non-deformed. It was not flattened in the least and had nowhere near the damage of CE 399." -- Dr. Martin Fackler (Live by the Sword, by Gus Russo)

They don't know the exact velocity that CE399 was traveling at when it hit Connally's wrist. They approximated it to be 900 f/s. That approximation was made after a series of tests. The Fackler bullet was traveling at 1100 f/s.

[planter]

BUT, the Zapruder film shows the different timing of JFK versus Connally hits which are usually handwaved away. And, there's still a problem with the trajectory between the President and Governor, even if the timing was correct (which it is not).

The Zapruder film shows Kennedy and Connally reacting to being hit at the same time. There is no different timing. And contrary to what Bob Harris would have you believe, there's no problem with the trajectory either. Myers addressed Harris' amateur take, and he slapped him around in the process.

[StoneWall Brigade]

LS debunked the Kennedy conspiracy theories in his book 48 Liberal lies in America history I highly recommend reading it.

[planter]

Oh and never mind the fact that Gunny Carlos Hathcock could not duplicate the shot. Even though he was given over 100 attempts.

That's a claim made by fellow named Craig Roberts. Do you honestly believe that nonsense? Roberts is not believable.

Oswald on the other hand barely qualified in the Marines,

Oswald actually qualified as a sharpshooter in the Marines.

"Any sniper who says these were difficult shots, should take up crochet..."

[LifePath]

I agree with you. Those who believe in conspiracies involving more than one person, and lasting decades, are idiots. I refer you dumb-asses to Occam.

[LS]

The new evidence from Oswald’s visit to Cuba suggests he probably had training there, and, no doubt, a lot of target practice.

[StoneWall Brigade]

Interesting why didn’t our intelligence pick up on this?

[MayflowerMadam]

“The movie JFK is a marvelous piece of entertainment.”

It really is. We loved Tommy Lee Jones, Kevin Bacon, and Joe Pesci in the freakish characters they played. Story is interesting, but fiction.

I think there were two shooters, one of them being Oswald. I don’t really care who, why, etc.; I hated JFK.

[Arthur McGowan]

According to St. John Hunt, his father, on his deathbed, connected LBJ to JFK’s murder.

There are many important people and matters about which Bugliosi is silent. A remarkable thing for a book that size.

[LS]

No idea, but he was picked up in Dallas (and watched) by the FBI prior to that.

[Karl Spooner]

From the sixth floor in the Book Depository Oswald would look down on a slowly drifting target less than ninety yards away, and his scope brought it within twenty-two yards. At that distance, with his training, he could scarcely have missed.”

Sounds good. Was this analysis made before or after the FBI shimmed the scoop to get it into the field of view?

[Karl Spooner]

scope

[angryoldfatman]

Handwaved away, shoo shoo inconvenient visual evidence! Go away!

Connally’s testimony lines up with the different timing. I tend to believe him, one of the guys who actually took a bullet, over those who want us to ignore what our eyes tell us. Like I believe the guys who saw the plane hit the Pentagon over the Truthers who repeat what some cheese-eating surrender monkey who DINSEE NOPLAINS says.

[angryoldfatman]

>> Finally, Connelly’s wounds are only possible if the bullet hit JFK first.

Circular argument. This conclusion is only reached by assuming the conclusion is true to begin with.

You’re assuming the Single Bullet Theory is true, therefore the trajectory shoehorned into the scenario is the only way Connally was hit.

There are problems with the SBT trajectory and timing. Like I said before, the SBT would not even exist if it wasn’t for the Tague wounding, which has a number of silly explanations from Warren Commission/Posner/Bugliosi crowd.

[Ditter]

We hated JFK too. On the day of his funeral we went car shopping. The car salesmen all refused to leave the TV and yelled something rude at us.

Imagine a car salesman, at a dealership refusing to help a buyer! Unheard of!

[angryoldfatman]

>> The bullet path was not straight, because the shot went through Connelly first, but it did NOT make magical contortions per the likes of Oliver Stone.

I have not used Oliver Stone as a reliable source, nor do I intend to.

>> The jump seat in which Connelly sat was neither in a straight line, nor the same elevation, nor were the two bodies facing directly forward as often shown.

I have stated that no one takes the straight seating diagram seriously, so any attempts at guilt by association fall flat.

Dale Myers put together a well measured CGI reconstruction of the Single Bullet Theory, up to a point. However, he still had to manipulate the images to hide flaws in the trajectory so the wounds match the ones on JFK and Connally.

Also, I think you mean the bullet went through JFK first. If it went through Connally first, that would be evidence of a front-shooter.

[SoCal Pubbie]

Yes, I meant JFK first, as I posted elsewhere. However, pointing to Connelly’s wounds is not a circular argument. It is physical evidence supporting the fact that one bullet struck high men. An oblong wound could not have happened if it was not tumbling. Any bullet that hit a hard object first would have been more deformed than the “less than pristine” bullet found on the gurney.

[angryoldfatman]

>> However, pointing to Connelly’s wounds is not a circular argument. It is physical evidence supporting the fact that one bullet struck high men. An oblong wound could not have happened if it was not tumbling. Any bullet that hit a hard object first would have been more deformed than the “less than pristine” bullet found on the gurney.

You are assuming the men were hit by one bullet, then saying the bullet proves the men were hit by one bullet.

Don't feel alone though. This happens on any controversial subject. It's a function of confirmation bias, which happens on both polarized sides, sadly.

Instead of assuming the conclusion and then ignoring things that don't "prove" the conclusion, what you're supposed to do is look at all the evidence and then try hypotheses that fit all of the observations.

[SoCal Pubbie]

I am assuming nothing. I am looking at evidence and deducing the scenario, just as a conspiracy theorist looks at photos of the grassy knoll and deduces multiple shooters from the preception of the pattern of dsrk shapes. The onus is on you to explain how one gets an oblong entry wound without the bullet first fitting some other object. Furthermore you have offered no evidence that the single bullet scenario did not happen.