Pope's climate push is 'raving nonsense' without population control, says top US scientist

The Guardian ^ | 9-24-2015 | Suzanne Goldenberg

[Citizen Zed]

One of America’s leading scientists has dismissed as “raving nonsense” the pope’s call for action on climate change – so long as the leader of the world’s 1 billion Catholics rejects the need for population control.

In a commentary in the journal Nature Climate Change, Paul Ehrlich, a senior fellow at the Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment, argues that Pope Francis is simply wrong in trying to fight climate change without also addressing the additional strain on global resources from population rise. “That’s raving nonsense,” Ehrlich told the Guardian. “He is right on some things but he is just dead wrong on that.”

The critique in “Society and the Pope’s encyclical”, part of a special package from scientists on the encyclical, marked a rare note of dissent from scientists and campaigners. Many hope that the pope will drive home his call to action on poverty and the environment in his speech to Congress on Thursday.

Ehrlich, in his Nature Climate Change commentary, accuses Francis of a dangerous flaw in his indictment of consumerism and its effects on the poor and the environment. The pope had fallen for the usual clerical “obsession” with contraception and abortion – when he could have instead broken new ground on the Catholic church’s approaches to women’s reproductive rights and family planning.

The broadside exposes some of the difficulties of embracing a figure such as the pope – for those on the left as well as the right.

Conservative allies of the pope, on issues such as same-sex marriage and abortion, have balked at his denunciation of capitalism and call to action on climate change.

Those thrilled by the pope’s intervention on climate change – and Ehrlich counts himself among them – were troubled by Francis’s refusal to countenance the need to limit population, the

[Citizen Zed]

I guess the Pope is not liberal enough for some.

[ETL]

"population control"

Undercover agent Larry Grathwohl discusses the Weather Underground's post-revolution governing plans for the United States:

Larry Grathwohl:

"I asked, 'well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?' and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers. And when I say 'eliminate,' I mean 'kill.' Twenty-five million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people. And they were dead serious."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ

[FlingWingFlyer]

If you can’t believe the Pope, who the hell can you believe? LOL! (a little Barry commie logic there.)

[doc1019]

Pope's climate push is 'raving nonsense' without population control, says top US scientist

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[digger48]

Isn’t this the same guy who has been calling for culling the herd for 30+ years?

Lead by example, Paul!

[ETL]

“The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet.”

“I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don’t think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, ‘tomorrow could be too late, let’s do now what we need to do’.”

“I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet.”

—Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

Hugo Chavez - Speech Delivered at the 16th World Youth Festiva
http://mltoday.com/hugo-chavez-speech-delivered-at-the-16th-world-youth-festiva

[Georgia Girl 2]

This Pope was a mistake which we will have to live through. I eagerly await the new Pope.

[ETL]

Jane Fonda sounds climate change alarm in Toronto
The Star ^ | July 4, 2015 | Christopher Reynolds

"The climate change problem is the issue of our civilization. It will affect everything about our lives if we don’t do something about it," she [Jane Fonda] says.
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Here's Hanoi Jane remarking on the agenda that Obama refers to as (quote)
"The fundamental transformation of the United States of America"...

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
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Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."

[MUDDOG]

Paul Ehrlich and Pope Francis, fighting in the captain’s cabin.

[marron]

Die-hard warmists will admit that the greatest generator of CO2 are human beings. If you really want to control CO2 you have to control reproduction. You have to limit family sizes. And you also have to limit how many livestock a rancher can have, for example.

They admit this when they are among friends, before a friendly audience.

Children having children, generation after generation, without their permission, is their greatest fear.

Warmists are totalitarians. The ones who aren’t simply trying to harness the greatest money laundering machine ever imagined, that is.

[WorkingClassFilth]

Paul Erlich is the scientific Rod McKuen of his era. Think hippy academic and you’re a notch too high. Think cocktail ciruit bore and you’re about right.

Hey, Paul, where’s the protein war you predicted? What about the 10 major earth element that you bet Julian Simon would decline? Did you ever make up the $10,000.00 you lost on that bet?

[mkmensinger]

Paul Ehrlich has managed to go through life never having been right about anything.

[beethovenfan]

Erlich has been beating this dead horse for decades. He can help the cause by stepping off.

[Regulator]

Ehrlich is an idiot who has been proven wrong 1000 times over.

He has the blood of 56 million abortions on his hands because his Overpopulation nonsense was used as an excuse for Roe v. Wade.

He and Denis Hayes were pushing catastrophic scenarios of mass starvation, cannibalism, grotesque pollution and ecosystem collapse all through the ‘70s.

Not one thing they said came close to being true.

A bigger laughingstock and the very definition of an educated idiot is the only way to describe this bleating fool.

[LS]

Pope needs to be preaching to the sun if he thinks “climate change” is so important.

[Sasparilla]

Who makes the live or die decisions. Government bureaucrats, of course.

[Jim Robinson]

He’s liberal, but these population control morons are frothing at the mouth fascist butchers.

[WorkingClassFilth]

Bingo. He’s a scientific voice in the same way that Za-Za Gabor was a famous person.

[MUDDOG]

The Klute hairstyle.

[bigbob]

He bombed...

At least Jane was cute