Posted on 09/20/2015 12:03:40 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
No flaming others on this thread. Thanks.
With the thread title in mind, which polls do you trust?
Do you trust the "news" polls (as in CNN, ABC News/WaPo, NBC News/WSJ/Survey Monkey or do you trust unscientific online surveys/polls at Drudge Report and Breitbart?
How about Gravis Marketing?
NBC News Poll, Trump, August - 22%.
NBC News poll, Trump, September 6, 2015 - 28%.
Right now in the newest NBC News poll (thread at FR right now), Trump - 29%. No statistical improvement from 28%.
But Trump is down in the new CNN poll (from 32% just recently to 24% now) and down in the Gravis Marketing poll from where he was earlier (30.8% in July, 40.1% in August and now at 22%, tied with Fiorina.
It looks like Gravis Marketing was the cat's meow in past threads at FR with well over 300 replies on just one thread (link below) and many singing the praises of either Trump or Gravis Marketing - but maybe not so much now in the thread yesterday which has Trump at 22% - way down from July and August.
If a/any GOP candidate says they are leading in all of the polls, to which polls are they referring?
Drudge?
Breitbart?
Are those truly scientific polls?
Does that include leading in negatives among the potential GOP candidates?
Does that include not leading among Evangelical voters (Trump's 20% to Carson's 27%)?
Does that include not leading among those whom most people believe won the very recent CNN debate? Most scientific polls show that Fiorina won that debate.
Is this your little happy dance?
It’s one poll. There will be plenty of others soon.
Everybody relax.
I think polls this early are stupid, let alone most polls.
Oh, let me guess. That doesn't count cause you didn't mean it that way, right.
Hey Trump is ahead in all the polls. That’s as good as it gets. When some others drop out and Carly’s 15 minutes are up I predict Trump will poll even higher. 4 mos out he’s doing very well.
He may well be telling us what we want to hear, that beats the hell out of being told we can’t stop illegal aliens from coming in.
¡Yeb!
Hardly. "Criticism" would imply you've brought something to the table besides circumstantial evidence, and your own antipathy.
Remember: The polls with the results you like are always accurate and the polls with the results you don’t like are cooked, skewed, biased, etc..
First of all, a policy paper is meaningless if you can't trust the person who commissioned it. Let me gues: You also trust McConnell and Boehner 100% too. Well, I find all three completely untrustworthy. You should too. Just having a ghostwriter spit out some drivel doesn't mean anything. I bet Trump couldn't even answer a quiz about what's in that paper.
Most importantly: That position paper was written without any understanding of conservative philosophy. Trump's people showed they don't understand conservative economics or the immigration problem AT ALL.
It's been mentioned many times on Free Republic in the past. The immigration issue is all about economics. The U.S. system incentivizes illegal immigration. That is 99% of the issue. As long as the U.S> is incentivizing illegal immigration, anything not addressing that fundamental issue will solve the problem. So right there, the people Trump hired get an "F" on understanding immigration. So, even if they had any intention of following through on that paper, it would be doomed to failure.
There was also another time bomb Trump's people put in there. The 60 million illegal immigrants ALREADY HERE are the bulk. The future flow of illegal immigrants will not match those already here. Trump has vacillated greatly, often saying he will let them stay here. He is trying to finesse the issue, but ultimately, he behind amnesty.
So, I think trump's position paper gets a well-deserved "F."
Who cares?
Back then I was posting on the AOL politics boards. The liberals were CERTAIN of a victory, just like you say. One of them, a fat lesbian lawyer, composed a song of victory to Kerry and posted it the night before the election.
She vanished after that, LOL.
Yes, I'm sure you'd like very much for us Freepers to sit quiet while you systematically abuse JimRob's website to tear down the front-running, outsider, Republican candidate for president.
Just like the libs, the muzzies, the leftmedia, and the GOP-e -- you want us silenced.
Ain't gonna happen, troll.
“Watching a Trump supporter call other Republicans RINOs is hilarious.
“Although, I guess for much of his career, Trump wasn’t even a Republican in name....”
You know, I don’t think many Trumpistas realize this, but when you alienate yourself from 95% of other Republicans, maybe you’re the RINOs.
That is perhaps the worst possible way to judge who is winning or losing an election.
Big rallies measure intensity, not depth of support.
McGovern had massive rallies in '72, yet Nixon beat him easily. Nader filled arenas in 2000, yet got all of 3%ish of the vote. Old nutter Ron Paul could fill an auditorium better than anyone, yet he was a blip on the radar in terms of who was really going to win the nomination every time he ran, Palin generated tons of enthusiasm and big crowds yet her ticket with McCain lost the '08 election handily.
Polls matter. Trump has an fanatical base of support (plus a large curiosity factor considering he is a celebrity), but that won't necessarily translate into the nomination because his long term support may be shallow. Primary polls are notoriously inaccurate compared to general election polls, but they are still more valuable than who is turning out big crowds.
95% of other Republicans support Trump? News to me.
You don't seem to understand his not being a "movement conservative" does not give you the moral authority to proclaim him a liberal, and condemn everything he says while leaving your own credibility intact.
Indeed, vapid comments like "I bet Trump couldn't even answer a quiz about what's in that paper," do little more than highlight your petulance.
Yes like this one:
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Sept 20, 2015
"Donald Trump Extends Lead in First Post-Debate Poll – Is Viewed as “Most Presidential”"
Jim Hoft Sep 20th, 2015 10:11 am 16 Comments
Billionaire businessman Donald Trump extended his lead in the first prominent post-debate poll released by NBC News Sunday.
Post debate NBC poll: Trump 29% Carson 14% Carly 11% Jeb 8% Cruz 7% Rubio 7% Rand 3% Christie 3% Walker 3% Kasich 2% http://t.co/PywxlCgGfk
— Howie Klein (@downwithtyranny) September 20, 2015
Trump was also viewed as “most presidential” among the GOP candidates. NBC News reported: ..."
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/donald-trump-extends-lead-in-first-post-debate-poll-is-viewed-as-most-presidential/
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Always another poll around the corner that's going to show Trump in the lead. :-)
Man, this isn't gonna end will for you Trumpkins. Donald yammers on and on about polls, but when they start to recede I'm sure he won't be mentioning them anymore - and neither will his followers here. Suddenly, for Trumpkins, all these polls they have been touting will become GOPe conspiracies.
Sure LoL. It’s not going end well for the GOPe.
Why is that? Was it petulant when everyone made telepropmpter jokes about Obama? So far, Trump has never been able to show he has a basic understanding of conservatism. Yet, he says he's, "very smart." 23 times in one speech, but that's okay?
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