Posted on 08/27/2015 5:43:27 AM PDT by don-o
Whatever happened to all those Waco bikers? You know, the 177 people arrested at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas after a motorcycle rally on May 17 ended with nine people shot dead?
Immediately following the shooting, I wrote about just how badly Waco authorities screwed up the arrests. Rather than trifle with technicalities like the rules for bail under the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Justice of the Peace Pete Peterson set bail at a staggering $1 million for each of the arrestees in order to “send a message.” Then I described how prosecuting nearly 200 bikers was crushing the criminal justice system in McLennan County and costing taxpayers a fortune.
Why did the story fade from public attention? What’s come out since the story broke?
As it turns out, it’s no accident that you haven’t heard more about the Waco biker debacle.
First, let’s look at two developments that seem like they would be informative, but actually aren’t.
(Excerpt) Read more at abovethelaw.com ...
LOL
Yeah, "lol" at allowing those supposed bystanders to be put into danger to begin with when it wasn't necessary at all.
“Yeah, “lol” at allowing those supposed bystanders to be put into danger to begin with when it wasn’t necessary at all. “
Thanks for admitting that the bikers put people in danger with their gang war.
Your claim, not mine.
If they were so dangerous, the twin was a completely retarded location to do that at.
More of your jackass lol-ing huh?
You truly are a jackass. And that's being far to kind to you, while falsely accusing jackasses (guilt by association).
Should we wonder... are Canadian jackasses partly to blame for the things that you say, and the way that you bray those sayings?
Or is it --- donkeys who live in Canada, when a few of those do something bad, make donkeys down in Texas (& Florida too) guilty of shockingly horrendous crimes too, thus should all be shipped off in tallow trucks, and their hooves to the glue factories?
Perhaps they should be rendered into bio-fuel, since if you've seen one jackass, you've seen 'em all, and they are equally guilty of what any one of them may do.
Even way up in Canada, donkeys down in Texas are guilty of that. What happened way up in Canada.
Gator, you silly goose.
The DPS issues concealed permits in Texas.
The DPS designated the Bandidos a criminal gang.
DPS issued a concealed permit to at least one (really) Fat Mexican. It is alleged that that Fat Mexican shot someone in the parking lot.
Why did DPS issue a concealed permit to a top officer of an organization - DPS itself designated - a criminal gang?
Why did DPS not go to the home of that top officer the night before, and ask for their permit back? (And, at the same time ask him for the addresses and phone numbers of each of his homies who had outstanding arrest warrants?)
Why did DPS and Waco not arrest any Bandido or Cossack in Texas with outstanding felony warrants the night before?
Why did DPS and Waco not arrest any Bandido or Cossack with outstanding misdemeanor warrants the night before?
Why did DPS and Waco not arrest any Bandido or Cossack with outstanding felony or misdemeanor warrants as they pulled into the parking out and parked their bikes? (Hint 1: Cossacks arrived an hour before. Waco PD was on site.) (HINT 2: License plate readers, or manual running of plates.)
**Please note that some newspaper reports link the first firearm discharge to a Fat Mexican with a DPS issued carry permit***
*** ADDITIONAL NOTE: None of the above would have necessitated Martial Law be dclared by THE MAYOR***.
No they didn't princess, so unbunch your panties.
So they didn’t set up pole cameras, they didn’t sit and wait for them all to arrive, and the lead didn’t start flying.
Okay!
If you wish to trust the AP account of a video no one else has seen, that is your prerogative.
By the time the rest of us see any such video, there will have been ample time to edit any way they want for public consumption.
I guess the picture in your head is different from some of the situations I have been in--the person literally reaches over the other person's shoulder to get at the person in front of the person they have reached over, to some extent, intentionally or otherwise, using the person they reach over as a shield.
This is a parking lot fight, from the few accounts we have been given. In similar situations (riots) I have been in, everything was up close and personal, the space was confined, not so much different from the area between rows of bikes. You are thinking the whole rugby field, I'm looking at the scrum.
Until I see the video, I don't know who was exactly where doing what overall, but the only people shooting from longer distances (as far as we know) had badges.
After all this time, it is still a matter of far more questions than answers.
IIRC, you suggested that youself, on the premise that all are guilty of cospiracy, so showing up is enough to make them criminals.
“IIRC, you suggested that youself, on the premise that all are guilty of cospiracy, so showing up is enough to make them criminals.”
I never suggested such.
If you are intelligent as you claim to be, you will see that an assertion there is probable cause to arrest 182 (maybe some number fewer), at least for conspiracy, with showing up -- as a member of a OMG or associate as a show of force -- making them conspirators, that assertion implies that the probable cause to arrest them existed before the fight, on account of they have to show up in force, first.
“making them conspirators”
Conspirators to go to a meeting?
“Not in exactly those words, but you have suggested it.”
No. What I have said is that the DA will will have to use previous history leading up to the fight to establish guilt for those that they cannot directly pin assault and/or murder charges on.
As you know, this is not what those accused were arrested for.
The obvious point is that if all the arrests for conspiracy were justified after the shooting started, they were justified before the shooting started. Conspiracy doesn't depend on the illegal act being carried out. The police "expected trouble," so they had some evidence of conspiracy. The police were on scene, in force, they had some evidence of conspiracy.
Clearly, you are confused. Maybe some sleep will help.
The weight of evidence threshold at the point of arrest isn't to establish guilt, it is "probable cause." If the DA had probable cause to arrest for conspiracy, the DA already had whatever previous history he needed to justify the arrest.
Then you read on, and find out what the folks who go to the site really think happened, with some thoughtful analysis of the autopsy reports.
I think of hadaclue's reasonable request of just wanting to know the truth. If only out of curiosity -- what in hell was this really about? Worrisome if it's what it looks like, and one straight-shooter said: How long do they think they can hide the fact that they massacred a legitimate "opposition" political meeting in broad daylight in front of cameras?
When the bikers shoot first, what does that have to do with the government?
A whole lot, when the only reasonable explanation in a real context for the thing happening at all as it was supposed to have, is that the biker who shot first was an agent of the government, directly (UC) or indirectly (manipulated by UC).
You all want to be soldiers, you Boogiemans and TGators and Alphabet ladies and all. You think law enforcement's job is as an army against an organized, insignia-bearing enemy that's sexy enough to be a big part of Hollywood.
Being a soldier "policeman" is a hell of a lot easier than actually doing a law man's job of protecting and serving the good guys and catching the bad guys.
If you want to be soldiers, go join the military, not civil service, for the love of God. Talk about a Domestic enemy.
Ouch!
Worth a bump.
Did they take you up on the job?
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