Posted on 07/20/2015 4:43:20 PM PDT by Citizen Zed
Freep this poll...
A dedicated follower of the senate’s number one Giligio John boy kerry !
He knew that he wasn’t qualified to captain a ship and I don’t think even with his admiral father’s help he could have gotten his own ship. They didn’t mind him endangering his own life but I don’t believe the Navy would have allowed him to endanger a lot of other lives.
Are you talking about the slapping of the two frightened soldiers? Tim Considine played one of them in the film.
The word “hero” is overused. Not all rockers are “super stars.” He served his nation in uniform, he’s a patriot. As a senator, he’s a buffoon, an apologist and a tool of the left wing. Beyond his military service I think he is pathetic as an American.
YES 14.2%
NO 85.8%
McCain started dating his second wife while still married to his first.
A man who will betray his wife like that is capable of anything.
>>he would have been viewed as a dirtbag and traitor to his fellow prisoners. Therefore, he did not not have a realistic way out.<<
He could have just taken them up, walked away, resigned his commission and lived a great life as a civilian. The son of an admiral who was a POW (the son, not the admiral) he would never have wanted for anything.
Decisions of this magnitude are, IMHO, not from “what will people think of me” but “what is the right thing to do?”
I ascribe the latter to aviator and Senator McCain. Perhaps because I do not know what my decision would be when I look deep. The same as all of us (again IMHO).
>>Not only no but HELL NO!!! No one of us would have ever heard of him except for his father the admiral and grandfather the admiral!<<
So, volunteering to stay in a POW camp which included torture (he can’t lift his arms above his shoulders) because his brothers were not afforded the same means nothing to you?
There comes a time in everyone’s life when a moral and significant decision must be made.
He was found to be heroic in his. I pray you have or will be so.
Of course, so was Benedict Arnold.
Being a war hero does not mean that you can not also be a very bad person later on.
As far as I am concerned he used up his war hero get out of jail free card when he did not go to jail as part of the Keating Five.
That goes for John Glenn too.
Benedict Arnold was a “war hero” too, until ....!
“I served honorably. But I did absolutely nothing heroic.”
Respectfully, compared to those that chose not to serve, or those that fled the country or went on the lamb during conscription, or those that exercise excuses on why they couldn’t or shouldn’t serve, I consider you and those like you that made personal sacrifices, heroes. And I don’t hero-worship easily. Thanks for serving.
No. Not really. The terminology “war hero” used to have greater meaning. It’s been vastly dilluted in this pathetic “everybody is a winner” culture we have nowadays. It used to signify people like Alvin York or Audie Murphy, and people in that league.
McCain is nowhere close to that. And his blatant lack of character in his post-war life, from his treatment of his first wife to his Keating scandal to his abject nastiness and dishonorable behavior tells a pretty vivid story. Wretched little man.
Seriously? An unqualified pilot landing on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier endangers 5000 plus lives if a boo boo happens and they do happen even by best of pilots. I've seen the results before. The ones that didn't make it out or jetison killed them were carried to the ships aft walk in cooler till fly off. That's not a sea story that's fact. A Snipe from the ships AC&R Shop maintains a 24/7 watch outside the cooler till the body is flown off.
Making command of a smaller surface ship is easier and a lot less risk involved than the job of a Naval aviator doing carrier ops.
One had been in combat. Combat Fatigue, PTSD, Shellshock, whatever, he didn't need slapped nor returned to combat.
Who cares anyway? Why does the media manipulate the republicans into talking about McCain 24/7? Why do we fall for it?
He didn't VOLUNTEER to do any such thing! His father -the admiral - was still on active duty at the time and his son coming home without the others simply couldn't be allowed! Wouldn't have looked good!
There comes a time in everyone’s life when a moral and significant decision must be made.
Absolutely! And in so far as I have been able to discover John S. McCain has failed at that every single time. He violated the UCMJ multiple times within and hour of being captured!
He was found to be heroic in his.
Not by me and a great many others he wasn't!
Benedict Arnold was more of a war hero for the USA than John McCain. The capture of Fort Ticonderoga and his contributions at Saratoga, early in the Revolutionary were, prevented the British from snuffing out the Revolution by the end of 1777.
Serving in the military or being shot down in a plane are not heroic acts. Climbing the cliffs at Omaha beach in the face of intense machine gun fire, flying a jet into the ground instead of ejecting to miss a crowded school, jumping on a live grenade to keep your fellow soldiers from dying, or crossing the Delaware River wearing rags in a snowstorm on Christmas Eve are heroic acts. In McCain’s service record the only action approaching heroism was declining the opportunity to be released early from the North Vietnamese prison.
Since becoming a politician McCain has been anything but heroic or patriotic. He should have been convicted, thrown out of office, and sent to prison for his “service” to Charles Keating in the Keating 5 scandal. His pandering to special interests and the media is all about self promotion, not constituent service. His treatment of his first wife and pursuit of a wealthy trophy wife to replace her was immoral and despicable. His record on immigration is treasonous. I cannot name one accomplishment of McCain as a politician that truly benefited the country and helped make it stronger. McCain is a crass and vulgar person and a major player in the corruption that infests Washington DC. At best he is a narcissistic egomaniac, at worst he is a willing accomplice in the destruction of the Republic.
Yes, I have more regard for Benedict Arnold than I do for John McCain.
No.
I consider him a survivor. One of thousands, and I respect the worth of his service to his country.
BUT --- a big but, I do not feel that that entitles him to perform abysmally as an elected leader voting continually to the detriment of the health and safety of our country.
Apples and oranges.
McCain has earned the anger of conservatives for consistently undermining our causes. But McCain is a genuine hero and people who say otherwise are blinded by anger. Here is a clue. McCain can be both a war hero and wrong politically.
He was a piss poor commanding officer of a mediocre A7 squadron at NAS Cecil Field.
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