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Heart over Mind: The Death of JFK, Jr.
airlinesafety ^ | July 2015 | Nolte

Posted on 07/16/2015 8:25:35 AM PDT by pabianice

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To: Old Sarge

Most likely.


21 posted on 07/16/2015 9:06:48 AM PDT by exnavy (Gun control is two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Never accept a ride from a Kennedy. Or a football game invite, even touch.
Don’t ski close to them. If you see one with a golf club, run.
The Kennedys: human pinballs.

“Master Kennedy, would you like to clean up before take off?”
“No, Benson. I’ll wash up on shore.”


22 posted on 07/16/2015 9:07:30 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

PS Oh yeah, and Uncle Ted practically had the Navy flying and the Coast Guard dragging the ocean bottom for weeks.
He’d do the same for your nephew. But Ted’s dead too.
And thank G_d for that.


23 posted on 07/16/2015 9:10:32 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: pabianice

Good piece. I once had a magnetic screwdriver placed in a teak cup holder, which in turn was in front of a compass. I was literally driven mad in the early morning hours of a certain day on a certain approach in a certain sea, and asked a crew-mate to in effect evaluate me psychologically. He looked at the compass for awhile, checked under the binnacle and found the screwdriver. He still teases me about that. I miss Kenny Bunk on threads like this!


24 posted on 07/16/2015 9:11:30 AM PDT by golux
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To: SampleMan

After the crash El Rushbo read something called IIRC “You have sixty seconds left to live”. It describes a disoriented pilot going from level flight to final impact as the narrator says “you have zero seconds left to live”.

The most chilling thing I have ever heard on Rush’s show.

What was even more macabre was Teddy Swimmer Kennedy using his power to order the remains of all the victims to be cremated without autopsies. Then a mass funeral was held on the deck of a Navy ship & the ashes were scattered at sea.

Destroying any evidence.


25 posted on 07/16/2015 9:12:21 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: equaviator

McCain was known by his peers as a crappy pilot. He was carried through flight school until he passed because he was a ‘legacy’; his father and grandfather were admirals and aviators. He also crashed 4 or 5 aircraft in non-combat situations before he was shot down. He had an earned reputation before ever being shot down.


26 posted on 07/16/2015 9:14:17 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: pabianice

Ninety percent of his flight was safely complete. But he decided to take a small shortcut over water at the end, rather than stay over the coastline. The shortcut probably would have saved him five minutes at the most.


27 posted on 07/16/2015 9:19:14 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: minnesota_bound

McStain should have washed out of flight school, but since his daddy was a admiral they kept him. IIRC he was shot down on his first mission


28 posted on 07/16/2015 9:19:22 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: pabianice

He was flying in IMC or near IMC conditions but he was not ontrument rated.


29 posted on 07/16/2015 9:26:00 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: pabianice

Yup. I’m a 20-year military aviator. All helicopter time so admittedly not a ton of IMC time. I’ll tell you one thing, I learned a healthy respect for the weather after icing almost killed me a couple times. This guy was a rich asshole who bought a plane, logged a few hours and thought he was an expert. Very common to the Kennedy Clan - the asshole gene.


30 posted on 07/16/2015 9:29:39 AM PDT by strider44
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To: bigdaddy45; Nachum

Obama and Hillary(!) were neck and neck into the convention, then two of her superdelegates were found dead - and she backed down. Message received and understood.

I’ve asked Nachum here to help us out...


31 posted on 07/16/2015 9:41:15 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: pabianice

Good synopsis. JFK jr. should have been flying IFR but was not instrument rated as far as I know and was a low hour amateur pilot. Poor judgment coupled with poor flying skills and weather got himself killed as well as 2 other people.

My ex boyfriend and I made the mistake of coming in VFR once in a rainstorm and he’s a good pilot and instrument rated. We were so close to the airport and we just wanted to get home so we took the chance and the weather closed down on us. It was pretty hairy for a few minutes but we got down and kissed the ground. We should have turned around and gone out about 30 miles and shot an instrument approach. We made a pact never ever again. That was one of the stupidest things we ever did. Really stupid.


32 posted on 07/16/2015 10:04:35 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: equaviator

McCain crashed a jet while he was in advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. he tried to blame engine failure but a Navy investigation blamed McCain’s inattention to altitude.

His daddy kept him in planes though and he would later take out power in Spain while being a complete jackass.

Also my own dad said never to trust this daddies boy on anything said about the Forrestal incident.

Put to point, McCain was terrible pilot who had a daddy that kept him in expensive tax payer funded planes. Now he has suckers who vote for him, that keep him in expensive tax payer funded planes.


33 posted on 07/16/2015 10:07:28 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood
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To: pabianice
JFK Junior did outdo some of his relatives for female body count:

Women Killed by a Kennedy

Kennedy Victim(s) Technique
Ted Kennedy Mary Jo Kopechne Abandoned to suffocate in car wreck
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Mary Richardson Kennedy Drove to suicide (hanging)
Michael Skakel Martha Moxley Bludgeoned and stabbed with golf club
Robert F. Kennedy Marilyn Monroe (shared credit) Drove to suicide (pills, alcohol)
John F. Kennedy Marilyn Monroe (shared credit) Drove to suicide (pills, alcohol)
John F. Kennedy, Jr. Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy Lauren Bessette Crashed their plane

Honorable Mention (Didn't quite kill the victim)

Kennedy Victim(s) Technique
Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. Rosemary Kennedy Lobotomized and permanently institutionalized for crime of being mildly retarded
Joseph P. Kennedy II Pam Kelly Permanently paralyzed in crash of jeep he was driving

34 posted on 07/16/2015 10:08:35 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Step away from the font size code.)
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To: AmericanCheeseFood

Roger that.


35 posted on 07/16/2015 10:13:15 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: strider44
I was pretty disgusted by all the memorials on tv after he died. Basically, JFK Jr. was a failure in life. He squeaked by in law school, had to take the law boards 3 times, did not distinguish himself as a prosecutor, and then ran the failing George magazine.

His mother did not want him flying , because I suspect she knew he was going to fail at that. He waited to train as a pilot after she died.

Because he was a Kennedy, he became the anointed one. Even though a failure, a Senate seat was waiting for him. If he was still alive he could possibly be the Democrat front runner for a Presidential nomination.. Maybe this Presidential cycle.

Instead, he killed himself, his wife and sister in law .

Was this the type of person you would want as a Senator or President? Harsh statement, but true.

36 posted on 07/16/2015 10:14:07 AM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila

At least he had the sense to dump Daryl Hannah!


37 posted on 07/16/2015 10:19:45 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: dsrtsage
If JFK jr had been flying a VW Beetle, he'd still be alive today.


38 posted on 07/16/2015 10:20:20 AM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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To: bigdaddy45

Beat me to it. Right on target.


39 posted on 07/16/2015 10:32:15 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: elcid1970

Video link.

178 Seconds to Live

http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch={CCA30EA1-A94D-4E45-ABCD-3AD4074403E0}


40 posted on 07/16/2015 10:41:47 AM PDT by capecodder
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