Seriously, I want to ask you a question. Like an adult. Just as a thought experiment.......
Do you really think every lawn mowing job has been “stolen” from an American? Do you think every hotel maid job has been stolen from Americans? Do you really think every janitorial job has been stolen from an American? Or vegetable picking?
Do you want any of these jobs? Do you know anyone who does? Do you see the unemployed hipsters flashing their EBT cards buying lobster at Whole Foods while surfing the web at Starbucks doing these jobs? How about the looters in Ferguson? Or the musician on welfare who does some music gigs cash on the side?
My only point is this: your example is just way way way too simple to really describe what is a complex problem. And yes, it’s a damned problem.
Close the borders and enforce the law the illegals will self deport. Then wages will go up naturally. What is so hard to figure out here?
Yes. I know many a wallboarder that lost their jobs/businesses because of illegals that used stolen SSN’s and took these jobs. Roofers, construction workers, mechanics, cooks, (some restaurants will not even interview you if you are caucasion). So, yes, they take jobs away from citizens and lower wages in some/most industies.
Do you really think every lawn mowing job has been “stolen” from an American?
Absolutely.
Do you think every hotel maid job has been stolen from Americans?
Absolutely.
Do you really think every janitorial job has been stolen from an American? Or vegetable picking?
Absolutely
Do you want any of these jobs?
No
Do you know anyone who does?
Yes
Do you see the unemployed hipsters flashing their EBT cards buying lobster at Whole Foods while surfing the web at Starbucks doing these jobs?
No
How about the looters in Ferguson?
No
Or the musician on welfare who does some music gigs cash on the side?
No
My only point is this: your example is just way way way too simple to really describe what is a complex problem.
I gave no example. I made a statement that Trump believes illegals that have jobs in the US should be able to stay.
And yes, it’s a damned problem.
Agreed
As someone who has been around construction, lawn care, and hotel management his whole life, I can tell you Americans did in fact do these jobs. Did lawns not get cut before 1980? Did drywall not get hung? Did hotels not get cleaned? Thinking only illegals can and will do these jobs is the problem.
Good summary.
Until we see all the people who want the jobs you mentioned lined up clamoring for them rather than taking the “ gravy train” scam the system approach I’ll keep an open mind about what has been “ stolen”
YES! I do think there is an american for every job. It may require more money to get them to take the job (gotta pay better than welfare ya know) but there are still Americans out there that think no job is beneath them and any job is better than nothing.
“Do you really think every lawn mowing job has been “stolen” from an American? Do you think every hotel maid job has been stolen from Americans? Do you really think every janitorial job has been stolen from an American? Or vegetable picking?”
You can research the statistics online and you will find that the jobs the Mexicans are taking involve much more than the ones you have mentioned.
Yes, those jobs were stolen from Americans, I watched it.
I watched as we were pushed out of the car washes, landscaping, janitor work, maid work, concrete work, construction, roofing, sheet rock work, plants, machine shop, and on and on.
Millions of us wanted those jobs, and were pushed out, because when the Mexicans took over, they would drive out everyone else.
Do you think all those jobs were always done by Mexicans, legal or illegal?
Did history for you begin this morning when you woke up?
Do you want any of these jobs? Do you know anyone who does? "
**ahem** Actually I operate a 4-season lawn care business here in my hometown, and yes, I am trying to grow my business. I'm proud of what I do and my wife supports what I'm doing despite the uh... social pressure.
I even went to school to learn how to do it right, after the mainframe system administrator thing shriveled up.
Just for the record I'm white anglo and part native American, which is typical for this part of the world, and I know other gringos in the same business. So yes, I do have an answer to those questions.
Do you see the unemployed hipsters flashing their EBT cards buying lobster at Whole Foods while surfing the web at Starbucks doing these jobs? How about the looters in Ferguson? Or the musician on welfare who does some music gigs cash on the side?Not complex at all. You described the problem in that first paragraph and don't even see it.My only point is this: your example is just way way way too simple to really describe what is a complex problem. And yes, it’s a damned problem.
Lawn servicing used to be a decent paying job until the shady business types started paying off the books to illegals. It's difficult to make ends meet and share an apt. on what you get paid now. But illegals live 10 to an apt in the crap side of town so how do you compete?
Answer: You don't. You hope you can qualify for disability if you have no other prospects. So now I think I'm getting cheap lawn service but instead am contributing to the de-evolution of the USA. I'm paying for the guy on disability and I'm paying through the nose for healthcare for the immigrant when he gets sick and uses the ER for free.