Lincoln assassinated

[Paisan]

On this date in 1865, Good Friday, Abraham Lincoln was shot at Ford's Theatre in Washington, D.C. The 16th president died the next morning.

[rockrr]

To Lost Cause Losers perhaps

[patriot08]

“He did (show human decency)”
By slaughtering thousands upon thousands of his fellow Americans, and allowing his henchman, Sherman, to murder, rape the innocent and burn his way across the land? It’s a pitiful that YOU are incapable of recognizing it.

[patriot08]

Like I said, Booth got what was coming to him.
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And so did Lincoln and his henchman, Sherman.
Both burning in hell

[patriot08]

Your post is just plain stupid.
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Typical; can’t win an argument, so start accusing and name calling. Wouldn’t be a Lib, would you?

[central_va]

Ok what world power was going to invade the USA/CSA (if the South gained their independence)? Where’s was the threat ? I am calling you out on this BS, right now. Your whole premise is utterly preposterous and stupid.

[Ditto]

Colonies decided to secede from Britain and wanted to go peacefully.

You should study some history. The colonials only decided to declare independence long after the shooting had already started. They had no illusions that it would be peaceful.

[central_va]

Actually my response was to cowboyusa not you.

[cowboyusa]

We would have been divided. Don’ t tell me you love the United States when you would have supported dismembering her. Virginia or any other Confederate state would have eventually left the Confederacy. North America would have been divided into smaller countries, ripe for the picking.

[central_va]

We would have been divided. Don’ t tell me you love the United States when you would have supported dismembering her. Virginia or any other Confederate state would have eventually left the Confederacy. North America would have been divided into smaller countries, ripe for the picking.

Preposterous.

[DoodleDawg]

And so did Lincoln and his henchman, Sherman. Both burning in hell.

Playing pinochle with Jeff and Stonewall, no doubt.

[DoodleDawg]

Ok what world power was going to invade the USA/CSA (if the South gained their independence)? Where’s was the threat ?

"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." -- Abraham Lincoln 1838

[cowboyusa]

I repeat what I said earlier, why do they care what Obama is doing to the US, since they despise the US so much that they think it was justifiable to dismember her?

[rockrr]

Inevitable.

[rockrr]

You’re just striking out all over. ;’)

[central_va]

I repeat what I said earlier, why do they care what Obama is doing to the US, since they despise the US so much that they think it was justifiable to dismember her?

Ok I will address this stupid point you are trying to make. The South was drug back into this tyrannical union by force and blood. I HAVE to care because we are under the thumb of FedGov™. We are because our side lost the war. I am forced to care because states rights died and now we are an democratic dictatorship, the first one in history. Not sure how long that it will last.

[rustbucket]

[DiagenesLamp as quoted by Conscience of a Conservative]: I don't particularly care what a people's reasons are for wanting to leave. The Declaration of Independence tells me they can leave for whatever reason suits them.

Basically that's what the Constitution means too according to Alexander Hamilton and John Jay (future first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court), two of the three authors of the Federalist Papers that explained what the Constitution meant. Here is what they and the New York Ratification Convention voted for, one of the clearest statements of original intent [my bold emphasis below]:

WE the Delegates of the People of the State of New York, duly elected and Met in Convention, having maturely considered the Constitution for the United States of America, agreed to on the seventeenth day of September, in the year One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty seven, by the Convention then assembled at Philadelphia in the Common-wealth of Pennsylvania (a Copy whereof precedes these presents) and having also seriously and deliberately considered the present situation of the United States, Do declare and make known.

... That the Powers of Government may be reassumed by the People, whensoever it shall become necessary to their Happiness; ...

... Under these impressions and declaring that the rights aforesaid cannot be abridged or violated, and that the Explanations aforesaid are consistent with the said Constitution, And in confidence that the Amendments which shall have been proposed to the said Constitution will receive an early and mature Consideration: We the said Delegates, in the Name and in the behalf of the People of the State of New York Do by these presents Assent to and Ratify the said Constitution.

Hamilton and Jay and the other New York Ratifiers also included among the rights they listed in their ratification document:

That the People have an equal, natural and unalienable right, freely and peaceably to Exercise their Religion according to the dictates of Conscience, and that no Religious Sect or Society ought to be favoured or established by Law in preference of others.

That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People capable of bearing Arms, is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free State;

That every Person restrained of his Liberty is entitled to an enquiry into the lawfulness of such restraint, and to a removal thereof if unlawful, and that such enquiry and removal ought not to be denied or delayed, except when on account of Public Danger the Congress shall suspend the privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus.

As far as I know, none of the other states objected to the New York Ratification.

[Ohioan]

Let me make a suggestion, as to priorities. Many of the issues in looking back to the terrible war in the 1860s, and what led up to it in the 1830s, 1840s & 1850s, as well as what followed the war in the nightmare called Reconstruction, involved problems in the human comedy, as old as demagoguery & the deliberate manipulation of the susceptible by devices as old as what is recorded in Genesis as to the corruption of Eve.

We were--and are--being manipulated towards disaster by methodology that is easily recognized, once it is pointed out. It involves convincing people, who may or may not have a real grievance, that they have one, and they need to hate someone, in some way connected to that "grievance." This is reflected in what might be called The Blame & Envy Cocktail. That, for example, is one of Obama's stock-in-trades.

Another technique, closely related, which has been a common tool of would-be tyrants, and is clearly very evident among those who despise traditional Southern culture--which was actually the most tolerant in the Western World--is in what I would describe as The Compulsion For Uniformity.

I have been fighting these techniques since graduating from High School, and deliberately enrolling in an historically egalitarian oriented college, which was famous for promoting hatred of the Old South, since its founding in the 1830s.

One other point. The arguments that I employ have all been tested many times, through the decades, against the deceptive methodology that I refer to. Properly employed, those destroying the American heritage, have no real answer but to hiss insult.

[KC_Lion]

Captain! My Captain! our fearful trip is done;

The ship has weather'd every rack, the prize we sought is won;

The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,

While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:

But O heart! heart! heart! O the bleeding drops of red,

Where on the deck my Captain lies, Fallen cold and dead.

O Captain! My Captain! rise up and hear the bells;

Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills;

For you bouquets and ribbon'd wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding;

For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;

Here captain! dear father! This arm beneath your head;

It is some dream that on the deck, You've fallen cold and dead.

My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still;

My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;

The ship is anchor'd safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;

From fearful trip, the victor ship, comes in with object won;

Exult, O shores, and ring, O bells! But I, with mournful tread, Walk the deck my captain lies, Fallen cold and dead.

[x]

Lincoln himself said his first priority was holding the Union together.

His first priority at the time, sure. That doesn't sum up the whole of what the war meant or what was at stake over the course of the war. What we Americans were fighting for in WWII, say, wasn't the totality of what the war meant for all the people involved.

[Ohioan]

Your comment can be applied to virtually every war in human history. Actually no one at any time understands all of the (even major) consequences of any significant conflict, civil or military. You could make up an interesting parlor game as to any major event, having your guests compete as to whom can identify the most unintended &/or unstated consequences.