Posted on 01/10/2015 1:06:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Rochester, NY (WROC) - LaTanya Daughtry needs a new place to live.
The single mother of two boys is on disability and gets a Section 8 housing voucher. But many online classifieds ads say "No Section 8."
"It just makes me feel people look at me differently because I'm on Section 8," Daughtry said. "A lot of ads say no Section 8 right off the bat."
Section 8 is a federal housing program run through the Rochester Housing Authority. Recipients pay a portion of the rent and Section 8 pays the rest.
Section 8 vouchers are in short supply. In the Rochester region, 9,125 families get the housing vouchers. There are about 10,000 families who have been on the waiting list for five years. A Harvard University study found that 30 percent of Rochester area renters are "severely burdened," meaning they pay more than half their income on rent.
"I really can't afford housing on my own with a disability, so Section 8 helps out tremendously," said Daughtry.
The goal of Section 8 was to give poor people the freedom to move where they want. But it hasn't worked out that way. Sixty-one percent of the region's Section 8 recipients live in high-poverty areas.
"It's not illegal in Rochester and most of the state to deny someone because the landlord doesn't wish to contract and accept the Section 8 voucher," said Lou Prieto, an attorney with Legal Assistance of Western New York.
Rochester's higher-end Park Ave. neighborhood has the lowest concentration of Section 8 housing vouchers in the city, with only a few dozen recipients living in housing units there.
"It has nothing to do with we don't like poor people. It just means (Park Ave.) housing is more expensive," said Gini Denninger, a real estate agent.
Section 8 bases how much it will pay landlords on comparable rents in the area. The Park Ave. area commands $912 for a two-bedroom, higher than the $830 standard Section 8 rate. If a tenant wants to live in a pricier apartment, Section 8 will evaluate the comparable rents. As long as tenants don't pay more than 40 percent of ther income in rent, Section 8 will sign off on the arrangement.
Many landlords complain about the red tape involved with Section 8. There are pre-move-in inspections that can two weeks to schedule, leaving a property vacant. Section 8 also requires landlords use a contract it provides.
Some landlords think Section 8 tenants, who need public assistance to pay for housing, are more of a risk.
"This is a business. And I have an obligation to the City of Rochester and the neighborhood I own property in to put the best person in that neighborhood," said Mary D'Alessandro, who owns 11 properties and heads the New York State Property Owners Coalition.
The new interim director of the Rochester Housing Authority wants landlords to be required to accept Section 8. At a recent board meeting, Adam McFadden proposed a fair housing law. That would forbid landlords from discriminating against Section 8 tenants, in the same way landlords are not allowed to discriminate against people with disabilities or people with children.
McFadden would not appear on camera for this story, citing the controversy over his appointment and a need to stay out of the spotlight.
A fair housing law would face opposition.
"If I am discriminating for Section 8 - on income discrimination - then these people should be able to go get a mortgage. Why do I have to rent to them, but a bank doesn't have to give them a mortgage?" said D'Alessandro.
"If Section 8 were that easy for housing providers, they would all be doing it," said Denninger.
Prieto said in order for a fair housing law to work, it would have to be countywide.
"Even if Rochester were to pass such an ordinance, the tenants would still encounter problems, I think in the suburbs," said Prieto.
Fair housing laws exist in Buffalo and New York City. There is no fair housing law proposal in front of Rochester City Council or the Monroe County Legislature. But McFadden has indicated he will work with lawmakers to bring one forward.
Meanwhile, Daughtry found a place to live in the 19th Ward. Her new Landlord, Marty Rennert, likes the Section 8 program. He finds the required leases and rules help - not hurt - his business.
"As a landlord it's a risk-mitigator in every sense," said Rennert. "It puts a positive pressure on both the tenant and the landlord and ensures a good relationship."
Rennert suspects many landlords confuse Section 8 with rental assistance provided by social services. Rennert said there are fewer protections in social service rental assistance. However, Rennert is wary of a fair housing law. He said some landlords would put in place requirements such as making tenants pay first and last month's rents plus a security deposit. In other words, the landlords would make sure Section 8 recipients would not be able to rent their properties.
Daughtry likes the idea of a fair housing law.
"It would give people like me a chance and an opportunity to do better to go better places, and to establish a better environment for my children," she said.
That’s why public housing has acquired a bad reputation and people don’t want public housing projects in their neighborhoods.
Its a crime, prostitution and drug dealer magnet. Its asking for trouble.
Maybe....it wasn’t that way last time I did a good check on the web and at the SSA website.
i took sec 8 several years ago. most shamelessly legal business deal i ever made. worked out well financially for the 2 year rental period. tenant was muslim woman with 2 children, drove a Mercedes, did not work, section 8 paid 100% of rent, about 1700 per month. she had another child with her boyfriend while a tenant. property was inspected annually by local govt. she maintained property well since our county’s section 8 voucher program had a waiting list.
“Require tenants to abide by the rules. If they don’t evict them.”
Yeah, riiiiiight.
Won’t happen until the Holderdork and his cretin president are behind bars.
WOW... wow. Oh, wow. I can’t even think of anything else to say. Well, no, I can think of all sorts of things, but I won’t. But wow.
“This is a business. And I have an obligation to the City of Rochester and the neighborhood I own property in to put the best person in that neighborhood,” said Mary D’Alessandro, who owns 11 properties and heads the New York State Property Owners Coalition.
If accurately quoted, that is a seriously self-damaging statement and will get such a landlord into very hot water. “The best person”?
A person who says things like that had damn well better consider keeping their mouths shut.
“clutches” Perfect. That gave me a good laugh. Thanks.
D.C. Urban Lawyah’s Section 8 home - trashed by section 8 housing INSPECTOR...??!
http://www.wbaltv.com/i-team/landlord-section-8-housing-inspector-trashed-my-home/23350220
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A bit harsh... While certainly there are plenty of leeches in the system, it is also possible that some people actually need some help.
I did not imply it was just apartments. I meant it is used by many of the larger apartment complexes. I know this to be true as a member of the San Diego County Apartment Association for the past 23 years I/we have discussed it many times. Owners of individual units such as myself almost all reject it. Larger apartment complexes embrace it, and they can have it.
Those are reasons why I will never ever get into rental property.
Section 8 is stealth public housing. It is slow and devious because it is a gradual transformation. Look at your neighborhood and its age. If it’s past the 30 year mark, chance are the original owners have paid off the mortgage and moved somewhere better or cheaper, died. Flippers and would be slumlords have come in and buying them up and greasing the skids for a clean Section 8 inspection.
You get one Section 8 and many more follow - count on it. No self respecting homeowner wants to live anywhere near one.
Okay....I’d certainly agree with what you say....they can’t screw up the overall outside that much in an apartment.
People who get things for free have no respect for it. They do not treat your property the same as someone paying full price. The result is more damage than the Government will reimburse and a resulting loss for the landlord. Unless you are a slumlord you cannot make money on section 8 tenants.
You’re damn right they are the smart ones.
I don’t know how it is in all states but in mine once you start taking Section 8 your property basically no longer belongs to you.
The government says who you will and will not kick out, what you will and will not do with it and when.
Landlords do not want Section 8 tenants driving out all their other tenants. Section 8 may be attractive to a landlord wanting to rent a small single house, or to a landlord with rent-controlled tenants he WANTS to drive off.
Like the old saying goes -
Nobody washes a rental car.
Those are the landlords that don’t want to have the copper water pipes ripped out of their walls, human feces in the closets, or meth lab explosions.
holy shit!
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