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Observatory Hell from the 86th Floor of Empire State Building

Posted on 12/28/2014 9:57:26 AM PST by SamAdams76

Observation decks in skyscrapers are always an overpriced "tourist trappy" sort of thing so I try to avoid them in general.

However, I had some family members visiting this week and they insisted upon going to the top of the Empire State Building (a slender and majestic skyscraper that sits on corner of 34th St and 5th Avenue).

Ayn Rand admired this building, which went up rapidly in the 1930s - at the height of the Great Depression - but I digress.

Now last time I went to observation deck of this particular building was back in the 1980s when my new wife and I spend a few days on Manhattan as part of our honeymoon. The Twin Towers were still around at the time and we went to the top of one of those as well. We actually walked the 30+ blocks to get there as we were young and full of energy and didn't want to take a cab if we could help it.

Well, a lot has changed in the nearly 30 years since I was last up on the 86th floor observation deck. There was practically no security and we pretty much pushed a button on an elevator to take us up to the 80th floor where we purchased tickets and took other elevators to both 86th and 102nd floor decks. No muss, no fuss.

Ronald Reagan was our president in those days!

This time around, the experience was quite different. We started out in Times Square which was pleasant enough. Highly recommended to bring the family to Times Square - just stay away from anybody dressed in a costume as they are creepy as hell and just want some of your money so you can take a lame picture with them.

So from Times Square, we walked the 8 blocks over to the Empire State Building, passing by the gigantic Macy's store that takes up an entire block.

As soon as we got past Macy's, the experience went downhill. We were surrounded by shifty looking "third party" vendors of tickets to various NYC attractions, complete with credit card scanners, who wanted to sell us overpriced observatory tickets that also included ferry to Ellis Island and a trip to top of Statue of Liberty.

Now I had a herd of about 10 family members with me so before I could corral them up, some of them already had their credit cards out, making it a done deal that we would purchase $29 tickets for $38 each (which they considered a bargain because Ellis Island ferry and Statue of Liberty trip was included). Unfortunately I did not have time to inform them that logistically, there was no way for us to take in the tour as we were only in the city for one day and it was already coming up on 3pm.

OK, no big deal. So we got fleeced for $9 a piece. About the price of a couple street vendor hot dogs. Welcome to New York! Plus, we should save a little time from having to purchase tickets inside the building - or so we thought.

So as we approach the Empire Street Building, we notice this massive line snaking around the block. Yes, this is the line to get inside the building to visit the observatory.

As noted, it was about 3pm and it takes us about a half hour to get into the lobby of ESB, in which another line snaked along, to where, we knew not.

It was about quarter to 4 before we were allowed to go up the escalator to the second floor where a huge "Space Mountain at Disney" type line weaved up and down the entire space, separated by the type of velvet ropes you normally see in movie theater lobbies.

During all this time, people with $50 "fast pass" tickets were whisked by us. It slowly dawned on us all that as time is money, those $50 tickets we originally snickered at seemed like quite the bargain.

After about a half hour, it became obvious that the line we were in culminated in "airport style" metal detectors, manned by those who were evidently turned down by TSA. As we snaked closer, we were notified over loudspeakers to remove our jackets and belts. Only the loudspeaker voice resembled that of the adults in Charlie Brown cartoons and we couldn't make heads or tails out of what we being said until some brassy lady with a dark blue uniform marched up and down shouting at us to remove jackets and belts.

Once through the phalanx of TSA-rejects with their wands and their expressionless stony faces, we then had to get in yet another line, this time to purchase tickets (which we got to skip) and to get offered "audio guides" which looked like 1970s era Walkie Talkies and rented for $11.

We passed.

Then we had to run a guantlet of useless exhibits showing how the skyscraper was built and other sort of useless facts, such as how many miles of pipes are in the plumbing (7 miles, if you are interested to know). Nothing looked like it was updated since the 1960s.

Most people shoved their way past these exhibits but you had a tiny percentage of overly-earnest tourists (mostly of Asian descent) who gummed up the works by pausing at each exhibits with their "audio guide" devices held up to their ears after having punched in the appropriate three digit code.

After all that, we come to yet another long line. By now it is 4:45pm - we have been standing in lines already for nearly two hours. This line leads to a person taking photographs of each group of tourists against a green background (which in the photos, will make it appear you are standing on the balcony over Manhattan at night).

There is no escaping the photo shoot. You are not simply allowed to walk past the camera without standing for a picture, whether by your self or as part of a group. We are thinking that this is a ruse to have our pictures taken for security purposes - and we are probably right about that.

Once the pictures are taken (with our images temporarily occupying the TV screens shown hanging from the ceilings - until the next group photo takes over), we are stuck in yet another long line.

Eventually, this line ends at a bank of elevators that takes us to the 80th floor. Because the building was designed such that you had to take separate elevators on the 80th floor to go higher.

Once on the 80th floor, you guessed it, another very long line snaking to the other bank of elevators.

However, this time, we were given the option of walking six flights of stairs as opposed to waiting another half hour to get on the next elevator.

Pretty much everybody availed themselves of the opportunity, including little old ladies and pot-bellied out-of-shape men who really should have known better.

So now, after waiting in lines for over two hours, we are now stuck in narrow staircases with sweaty, smelly and out-of-breath people, with the sounds of scuffling feet and raspy intakes and outtakes of bad breath. By the time we got to the 84th floor landing, you had a bunch of people just standing against the wall with their tongues hanging out and making all sorts of disgusting rasping and gasping sounds as they tried to catch their breath in the hot, stale air.

There was actually an elderly lady with crutches attempting to negotiate the staircase. It was crazy!

Finally we get to the 86th floor observatory. The sun was shining brightly when we entered the building nearly 2 1/2 hours ago. Now there is only the tinge of a sunset we missed and Manhattan is spread out below us in shimmering lights.

It would be a great view if we could actually get to edge but there were hundreds - probably thousands - of tourists that so crammed the observation deck that it was all we could do to turn sideways and inch our way around the platform. Meanwhile, you had a group of mall-cop types in uniforms telling us to "move along, move along".

There were so many people on the deck that I seriously feared that the building might tip over if we did not properly balance our collective weight around the observation deck (however, no problem on that count).

After about 20 minutes, we finally decided we had had enough and after squeezing in a few obligatory photos that were not obstructed by other people, we headed for the elevators to go back down.

However, it was not quite as easy as pushing the button and going down to the bottom. First ,we had to go back down to the 80th floor and get herded through about a quarter mile of gift shop. Then we had to get past the pushy vendors trying to sell us the photo they took of us earlier for $20.

Once past that, we got literally pushed into an elevator that took us to the bottom and we were unceremoniously shunted out to the street outside, where we saw even longer lines waiting to get in.

So all in all, the Empire State Building observatory is a colossal ripoff. However, the rest of our day in NYC went exceedingly well. Especially the Heartland Brewing and Chophouse on 43rd Street where we all had dinner. After a couple of Oatmeal Stouts, I was feeling good about NYC once again.


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To: righttackle44

I’ll take my chances with bigfoot.

Were probably in the woods for the same reason.


121 posted on 12/28/2014 2:30:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: SamAdams76
Took the kids to the top (both levels) last year over Thanksgiving. Went to the top on a Monday so the crowds were small. Still, paying the premium to skip the lines was money well spent. If you're only going to visit once, pay the extra and avoid the wait.

The kids had a blast on both levels and agreed that it was the highlight of their trip to the city. The ESB can be a great sight seeing event, you just have to plan for it.

122 posted on 12/28/2014 2:33:22 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: FatherofFive
overlooking Governors Island

Ah, yes. I was stationed on a 378ft Coast Guard cutter home-ported there in the mid 1980's. Great gig. NYC just a ferry ride away. Boatload of memories. Damn DAMN shame they closed that CG base there. Last I heard it was still vacant. What a waste.

FRegards

123 posted on 12/28/2014 2:34:58 PM PST by fone (@ the breaking point!)
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To: Mase

Best steakhouse in NYC?

Sparks. The steaks and seafood are out of this world.

One of those places to eat before you die.


124 posted on 12/28/2014 2:44:21 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: EDINVA

Wow!

Liked the tokens, they had the the little Y slot.

They used to give us a train pass to go to high school.

Saw lots of kids get assaulted over those!


125 posted on 12/28/2014 2:45:43 PM PST by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: Rome2000

My memory is that the first tokens were the size of a dime, then by the 70s they were more the size of a quarter?

I now have a senior MTA card, and even tho I only go to NYC about once a year, I love having it!!


126 posted on 12/28/2014 2:51:57 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: doorgunner69

Good ships. Vibrated a lot, but got the job done.

Welcome Home!


127 posted on 12/28/2014 2:55:31 PM PST by onedoug
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To: goldstategop
Love Sparks. Been going there since the late 70's. Would always stay at the Waldorf so we could walk to Sparks or Smith and Wollensky. Went back to S&W last year and it was awful.

My favorite steakhouse, however, requires a trip to Brooklyn. Peter Luger is as good a place today as it was back then. Just an awesome experience. Unfortunately, it is in Brooklyn, and you don't get treated the best unless you're a regular.

128 posted on 12/28/2014 2:58:11 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: SamAdams76

Actually, it was built mostly in 1929 and opened early in 1930. Not “the height of the Great Depression.”


129 posted on 12/28/2014 3:17:41 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: eartrumpet

In the U.S., until sometime in the ‘teens or even ‘twenties, people believed that if you smiled in a photo, it made you look stupid. Probably is still the belief of many Japanese.


130 posted on 12/28/2014 3:21:46 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Actually most of the construction occurred between March 1930 and April 1931. The building was "officially" opened in May of 1931 but in fact was not fully occupied for years, as we were in the height of the Great Depression.

The "height" of the Great Depression is generally considered to be during the years 1931-1933.

131 posted on 12/28/2014 3:27:26 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: cripplecreek

I’ll join you. God’s country in UP. We especially love Copper Harbor area.


132 posted on 12/28/2014 3:56:10 PM PST by Engedi
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To: Engedi

Actually just about anywhere in Michigan outside the city is good with me.


133 posted on 12/28/2014 3:58:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: SamAdams76
I was there when I was 16 in 1949 - don't think it cost anything but don't remember, got in elevators with no waiting, at the top in a short time. Plenty of space to walk around, not crowded at all.

Your terrible experience was shocking to me. Hard to believe the way the world is now. I traveled a lot of the world from my thirties through my fifties, and I wouldn't do that now. Even in our own country now, travel to certain areas is dangerous.

Thanks for posting your experience and I'm so sorry visiting that building is a mess now.

134 posted on 12/28/2014 4:18:26 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Kirkwood

Oh, stop. I do not. Sheesh, get a grip, lol.


135 posted on 12/28/2014 4:43:16 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: miss marmelstein
"expensive"

Maybe...but virtually all the national museums in London are free. Plus, the tube is relatively cheap and gets you where you want to go quickly. We did some walking tours and took the Black Bus with the funniest emcee you'll ever meet. We skipped fancy restaurants.

136 posted on 12/28/2014 4:56:29 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

The tube is VERY expensive and will only take you several stops on one commuter line. In Manhattan, you get one ticket and can make several changes. I take the six train to the shuttle to the Lexington Avenue line - on one swipe of my Metrocard. Try that in London.

Sorry, most museums require admittance - especially for their special exhibits which are prohibitive. Not a cheap city although delightful.


137 posted on 12/28/2014 5:02:40 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: SamAdams76

I probably confused it with the Chrysler Bldg.!


138 posted on 12/28/2014 5:09:14 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
You would be correct then. The Chrysler Building was built about a year before the Empire State Building. It is only a block away from where I work and I actually like that building even better than ESB.

They don't make skyscrapers like those anymore.

139 posted on 12/28/2014 5:37:41 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Mase

Sparks, Smith and Wollensky and of course Keens.

The last being the kind of place to stop for a 28 pound porterhouse to quench that man-sized hunger.


140 posted on 12/28/2014 6:58:21 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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