Looking for help in trying to refute the success of 0bama admin

Forward Progress ^ | 11/03/2014 | Allen Clifton

[killermosquito]

I have many friends who are brainwashed by the spin. Can someone give me some help in refuting each of these charts which my friends suggest as proof that 0bama hasn't been all bad?

[publius911]

Good grief!
Is the owner of that face and those manic eyes now one of our overlords?

I am sure I don't want to know.
Ignorance, if not bliss, is at the least not hair-raising.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

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If you have any doubts about refuting anything with simple logic just read some of the replies on the DU !

[Bon mots]

5 Million Jobs Destroyed Under Obama

The unemployment rate is a lie, actually, six of them. A question? Why do we need 6 unemployment rates? (U1, U2, U3, U4, U5, U6 unemployment).
Like when you ask a child who is lying a question and they come up with six different answers, they are hiding something.

The unemployment rate automatically and magically counts a person as employed after six months whether or not they found a job. Since unemployment is a two condition state, if you are not one; by default you are the other. So by not counting someone as unemployed anymore once their benefits run out, that means that they are automatically now counted as employed - a bald-faced lie.

So for the truth, we must look at the "Labor Force Participation Rate" and the size of the labor force - both statistics put out by the "Bureau of Labor Statistics".

Once you do that you will see that there are still over 4 million fewer jobs in America thanks to Obama, and nearly 5 million fewer than we would have had he held the LFPR at the levels Bush did.

To show them, simply look at the size of the labor force on the day Obozo was elected.
Labor Force Size

Jobs Destroyed By Obama

Total Labor Force Size in October 2008: 154,876,000
Labor Force Participation Rate (10/2008): 66%
Total Number of Jobs (10/2008): 102,218,160
(Labor Force size multiplied by rate)

Total Labor Force 10/2014: 156,278,000
Labor Force Participation Rate 10/2014: 62.8%
Total Number of Jobs 10/2014: 98,142,584

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Summary

American Jobs in 2008: 102,218,000
American Jobs in 2014:   98,142,584
Number of jobs lost since 2008: 4,075,416

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This calculation ignores the fact that the labor force actually increased in size over that time by some 1,400,000 people. If the Labor Force Participation Rate held the same as when Bush was President, 66% of them, or 925,320 of them would be working. So in total, we are down nearly 5 million jobs from where we would or should be.

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SOURCE:

These statistics are both available online from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, not some partisan propaganda site. They require simple arithmetic, not something most lefties are capable of.

Civilian Labor Force (Size)
Labor Force Participation Rate
Simply multiply one by the other to see how many jobs there actually are.

[Jacquerie]

Excellent reference.

[Nateman]

You have probably seen the original propaganda piece before I did some alterations. I'm convinced the GNP growth has actually been negative. That is because the average income of Americans has been dropping faster than population growth but I can't find a credible site that proves this.

[jonascord]

You are trying to pee into a hurricane. it's an exercise in frustration.

Read this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect and understand why talking to a Democrat is like hitting yourself with a hammer. (It feels better when you quit.)

[JudyinCanada]

I think you need to wonder why you have such stupid friends....why are you hanging out with a bunch of liberals? I can only spend very little time in the company of liberals, and once they start with their inane talk, I can’t take it. They could never be friends. My real friends are conservatives - people to whom I can actually relate.

[trebb]

Useless to try to sway them with facts - I worked with a couple of them and could demonstrate how their evaluations/conclusions were wrong and that the opposite was true. Didn’t phase them in the least. Like telling a junky that’s jonesing for a fix that a sandwich will make him feel better.

[LMAO]

My guess is even if Christ told them, they wouldn’t believe.

I have told the dwindling hopeychangers things like the LFPR and such and their only response has been “bullshit.”

[caver]

I don’t have any liberal friends.

[wayoverontheright]

I have several liberal friends, most of whom are too embarrassed to defend Obama.

Last night I attended a party at a local restaurant. There were eight of us at the table. Two liberals, six conservatives. Obamacare came up. The liberal pipes up “I like my Obamacare policy”. His wife is conservative, and we all know from her his premium had gone up quite a bit. So we all just ignored him. Ok, I chuckled. No need to say anything. No need to refute anything.

Just silence.

[Haddit]

In November 2007, there were 124,014,000 native-born workers employed in the United States and 23,104,000 foreign-born workers employed in the United States. By November 2014, the number of native-born employed in the United States had dropped to 122,558,000 and the number of foreign-born employed had increased to 25,108,000.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/25108000-record-number-foreign-born-hold-jobs-us?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=marketing&utm_term=facebook&utm_content=facebook&utm_campaign=n-foreign-born-jobs

[Haddit]

• Report: 71 Percent of New Jobs Go to Foreign Born Legal, Illegal Immigrants in NH
cnsnews.com ^ | 10/30/14 | Penny Starr
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/report-71-percent-new-jobs-go-foreign-born-legal-illegal-immigrants-nh
A new report by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) shows that the state with senators who both voted for the “Gang of Eight” immigration bill, which cleared the Senate in June, has 71 percent of its job growth going to foreign-born workers, including legal and illegal immigrants. Sens. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) both voted for Senate Bill 744, which CIS calculated would have roughly doubled the number of new foreign workers allowed into the country and would have given legal status to millions of illegal aliens already in the country had the legislation been passed by the House and become law.

[Haddit]

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/18/report-energy-production-on-federal-lands-is-still-declining/
Oil and gas production has stalled on federal lands for the third year in a row under the Obama administration, despite booming energy production on private and state lands, according to a new government report. The Congressional Research Service (CRS) says that the share of oil and gas production coming from federal lands have plummeted from 2009 to 2013. Oil production on federal lands fell by 11 percent over this time period and natural gas production fell by 28 percent. Federal onshore oil production fell for the third year in a row, while offshore oil production increased slightly — just...

But total federal oil production is still 316,800 barrels per day below 2010 levels of 1,975,100 barrels per day. …

Last year, the Obama administration sold the lowest amount of oil and gas leases since 1988 and approved the fewest drilling permits since 2002.

[Be Free]

1. Unemployment rate: the official rate ignores those that have dropped off of unemployment rolls, and are so discouraged as they’ve given up looking for work. It also excludes those that are working part-time only because they can’t find full-time work. The U-6 rate, and the labor participation rate are both more reflective of the ACTUAL jobs market than the headline rate presented. The labor participation rate (the percentage of the working-age population that actually IS working is bouncing along the bottom - with a rate not seen since Jimmah Carter).

2. That chart is not net-jobs, it is showing only the jobs added. Plus, it’s abysmal - not keeping up with the pace required to employ our growing population (mostly immigrants). Finally, the QUANTITY of jobs is one measure, but the QUALITY of jobs is the more important one. The pay-rate for the jobs that are being created are at the bottom of the wage scale.

3. The Fed is “intervening” in markets, effectively preventing them from falling. To do so, they print money, increasing our national debt dramatically. Further, the Dem’s rallying cry during every Repub administration has been that stock market gains only benefit the wealthy. Are the Dems now bragging about how they’ve become the party for the wealthy?

4. The deficit chart is misleading, at best. It shows what our annual spending deficit is as a percentage of the country’s GDP. If you’ll notice, we continue to spend more each year than we take in. In fact, within the last few months, the cummulative amount of deficit spending added to the national debt has more than doubled under Obama. Put another way, under Dem’s “leadership”, more has been added to the national debt that the sum of all Presidents before Obama.

5. During the 2008 campaign, Obama said “we can’t drill ourselves to lower oil prices”. That’s now clearly been proven another in a long list of lies told to win an election. The increase in crude production has been on PRIVATE lands, by the PRIVATE sector. Anywhere Obama’s EPA has had an opportunity to block or slow production on PUBLIC lands, they’ve done so. Taking credit for someone else’s success is a trademark of this administration, but unless they get credit for “allowing” someone else to exercise their freedoms, that’s pretty thin.

[Patriot777]

SHEESH! I clicked on the link—what should I do, pour Purex Bleach into my PC? Seal off the room and do a complete decon?

[fieldmarshaldj]

The full story on this ugly, libelous bitch:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3234806/posts

[right way right]

Get new friends. Serious.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: Enjoy: http://obamaclarifier.blogspot.com

Very impressive. Great job. Thanks.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

You have some excellent responses and probably have all you need by now; but I was happy to find an excuse to find a couple more tables to add to my collection. These could also help prove some of what you are looking for.

Notice how the Obama years finally got back up to pre-'bama years' total employed around May of 2014.. six years in the making; to wit, Jan 2008 (138,365,000) and May 2014 (138,497,000). But there are still problems for Obama. How much did the working-age population grow in those six years? How many full-time jobs were there?

The additions to the working age population got jobs?

The labor force participation has shrunk and that is the only reason that the unemployment rate decreased. Even the MSM employees have had to admit that.

The Reagan years were more typical of the business cycles that I remember from post W.W.II years. There were 99,303,000 employed in 1980. Off to a slow start it was 1984 before there was a significant increase (to 105,005,000). But six years of Reagan (Jan, 1981 - Dec, 1986) employed went from under 100,000,000 to 109,597,000 employed. IOW the unemployed went back to work and the increased working-age population found jobs. Not so with Obama. Ii appears to me. The labor force participation was higher also.

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Select: Total nonfarm, Seasonally adjusted; scroll down to Retrieve Data button

Total nonfarm 2004 - 2014

Year	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Annual
2004	130747	130791	131123	131372	131679	131753	131785	131917	132079	132425	132490	132619
2005	132753	132992	133126	133489	133664	133909	134282	134478	134545	134629	134966	135125
2006	135402	135717	135997	136179	136202	136279	136486	136670	136827	136829	137039	137210
2007	137448	137536	137724	137802	137946	138017	137984	137968	138053	138135	138253	138350
2008	138365	138279	138199	137985	137803	137631	137421	137162	136710	136236	135471	134774
2009	133976	133275	132449	131765	131411	130944	130617	130401	130174	129976	129970	129687
2010	129705	129655	129811	130062	130578	130456	130395	130353	130296	130537	130674	130745
2011	130815	130983	131195	131517	131619	131836	131942	132064	132285	132468	132632	132828
2012	133188	133414	133657	133753	133863	133951	134111	134261	134422	134647	134850	135064
2013	135261	135541	135682	135885	136084	136285	136434	136636	136800	137037	137311	137395
2014	137539	137761	137964	138268	138497	138764	139007	139210	139481	139724	140045

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HOUSEHOLD DATA
ANNUAL AVERAGES
1. Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1943 to date

[Numbers in thousands]

				Civilian	labor	force
					Employed			Unemployed
Year	Civilian noninstitutional population	Total	Percent of population	Total	Percent of population	Agri- culture	Nonagri- cultural industries	Number	Percent of labor force	Not in labor force
Persons 14 years of age and over
1943	94,640	55,540	58.7	54,470	57.6	9,080	45,390	1,070	1.9	39,100
1944

93,220	54,630	58.6	53,960	57.9	8,950	45,010	670	1.2	38,590
1945	94,090	53,860	57.2	52,820	56.1	8,580	44,240	1,040	1.9	40,230
1946	103,070	57,520	55.8	55,250	53.6	8,320	46,930	2,270	3.9	45,550
1947	106,018	60,168	56.8	57,812	54.5	8,256	49,557	2,356	3.9	45,850
Persons 16 years of age and over
1947	101,827	59,350	58.3	57,038	56.0	7,890	49,148	2,311	3.9	42,477
1948	103,068	60,621	58.8	58,343	56.6	7,629	50,714	2,276	3.8	42,447
1949	103,994	61,286	58.9	57,651	55.4	7,658	49,993	3,637	5.9	42,708
1950	104,995	62,208	59.2	58,918	56.1	7,160	51,758	3,288	5.3	42,787
1951	104,621	62,017	59.2	59,961	57.3	6,726	53,235	2,055	3.3	42,604
1952	105,231	62,138	59.0	60,250	57.3	6,500	53,749	1,883	3.0	43,093
1953	107,056	63,015	58.9	61,179	57.1	6,260	54,919	1,834	2.9	44,041
1954	108,321	63,643	58.8	60,109	55.5	6,205	53,904	3,532	5.5	44,678
1955	109,683	65,023	59.3	62,170	56.7	6,450	55,722	2,852	4.4	44,660
1956	110,954	66,552	60.0	63,799	57.5	6,283	57,514	2,750	4.1	44,402
1957	112,265	66,929	59.6	64,071	57.1	5,947	58,123	2,859	4.3	45,336
1958	113,727	67,639	59.5	63,036	55.4	5,586	57,450	4,602	6.8	46,088
1959	115,329	68,369	59.3	64,630	56.0	5,565	59,065	3,740	5.5	46,960
1960	117,245	69,628	59.4	65,778	56.1	5,458	60,318	3,852	5.5	47,617
1961	118,771	70,459	59.3	65,746	55.4	5,200	60,546	4,714	6.7	48,312
1962	120,153	70,614	58.8	66,702	55.5	4,944	61,759	3,911	5.5	49,539
1963	122,416	71,833	58.7	67,762	55.4	4,687	63,076	4,070	5.7	50,583
1964	124,485	73,091	58.7	69,305	55.7	4,523	64,782	3,786	5.2	51,394
1965	126,513	74,455	58.9	71,088	56.2	4,361	66,726	3,366	4.5	52,058
1966	128,058	75,770	59.2	72,895	56.9	3,979	68,915	2,875	3.8	52,288
1967	129,874	77,347	59.6	74,372	57.3	3,844	70,527	2,975	3.8	52,527
1968	132,028	78,737	59.6	75,920	57.5	3,817	72,103	2,817	3.6	53,291
1969	134,335	80,734	60.1	77,902	58.0	3,606	74,296	2,832	3.5	53,602
1970	137,085	82,771	60.4	78,678	57.4	3,463	75,215	4,093	4.9	54,315
1971	140,216	84,382	60.2	79,367	56.6	3,394	75,972	5,016	5.9	55,834
1972	144,126	87,034	60.4	82,153	57.0	3,484	78,669	4,882	5.6	57,091
1973	147,096	89,429	60.8	85,064	57.8	3,470	81,594	4,365	4.9	57,667
1974	150,120	91,949	61.3	86,794	57.8	3,515	83,279	5,156	5.6	58,171
1975	153,153	93,775	61.2	85,846	56.1	3,408	82,438	7,929	8.5	59,377
1976	156,150	96,158	61.6	88,752	56.8	3,331	85,421	7,406	7.7	59,991
1977	159,033	99,009	62.3	92,017	57.9	3,283	88,734	6,991	7.1	60,025
1978	161,910	102,251	63.2	96,048	59.3	3,387	92,661	6,202	6.1	59,659
1979	164,863	104,962	63.7	98,824	59.9	3,347	95,477	6,137	5.8	59,900
1980	167,745	106,940	63.8	99,303	59.2	3,364	95,938	7,637	7.1	60,806
1981	170,130	108,670	63.9	100,397	59.0	3,368	97,030	8,273	7.6	61,460
1982	172,271	110,204	64.0	99,526	57.8	3,401	96,125	10,678	9.7	62,067
1983	174,215	111,550	64.0	100,834	57.9	3,383	97,450	10,717	9.6	62,665
1984	176,383	113,544	64.4	105,005	59.5	3,321	101,685	8,539	7.5	62,839
1985	178,206	115,461	64.8	107,150	60.1	3,179	103,971	8,312	7.2	62,744
1986	180,587	117,834	65.3	109,597	60.7	3,163	106,434	8,237	7.0	62,752
1987	182,753	119,865	65.6	112,440	61.5	3,208	109,232	7,425	6.2	62,888
1988	184,613	121,669	65.9	114,968	62.3	3,169	111,800	6,701	5.5	62,944
1989	186,393	123,869	66.5	117,342	63.0	3,199	114,142	6,528	5.3	62,523
1990	189,164	125,840	66.5	118,793	62.8	3,223	115,570	7,047	5.6	63,324
1991	190,925	126,346	66.2	117,718	61.7	3,269	114,449	8,628	6.8	64,578
1992	192,805	128,105	66.4	118,492	61.5	3,247	115,245	9,613	7.5	64,700
1993	194,838	129,200	66.3	120,259	61.7	3,115	117,144	8,940	6.9	65,638
1994	196,814	131,056	66.6	123,060	62.5	3,409	119,651	7,996	6.1	65,758
1995	198,584	132,304	66.6	124,900	62.9	3,440	121,460	7,404	5.6	66,280
1996	200,591	133,943	66.8	126,708	63.2	3,443	123,264	7,236	5.4	66,647
1997	203,133	136,297	67.1	129,558	63.8	3,399	126,159	6,739	4.9	66,837
1998	205,220	137,673	67.1	131,463	64.1	3,378	128,085	6,210	4.5	67,547
1999	207,753	139,368	67.1	133,488	64.3	3,281	130,207	5,880	4.2	68,385
2000	212,577	142,583	67.1	136,891	64.4	2,464	134,427	5,692	4.0	69,994
2001	215,092	143,734	66.8	136,933	63.7	2,299	134,635	6,801	4.7	71,359
2002	217,570	144,863	66.6	136,485	62.7	2,311	134,174	8,378	5.8	72,707
2003	221,168	146,510	66.2	137,736	62.3	2,275	135,461	8,774	6.0	74,658
2004	223,357	147,401	66.0	139,252	62.3	2,232	137,020	8,149	5.5	75,956
2005	226,082	149,320	66.0	141,730	62.7	2,197	139,532	7,591	5.1	76,762
2006	228,815	151,428	66.2	144,427	63.1	2,206	142,221	7,001	4.6	77,387
2007	231,867	153,124	66.0	146,047	63.0	2,095	143,952	7,078	4.6	78,743
2008	233,788	154,287	66.0	145,362	62.2	2,168	143,194	8,924	5.8	79,501
2009	235,801	154,142	65.4	139,877	59.3	2,103	137,775	14,265	9.3	81,659
2010	237,830	153,889	64.7	139,064	58.5	2,206	136,858	14,825	9.6	83,941
2011	239,618	153,617	64.1	139,869	58.4	2,254	137,615	13,747	8.9	86,001
2012	243,284	154,975	63.7	142,469	58.6	2,186	140,283	12,506	8.1	88,310
2013	245,679	155,389	63.2	143,929	58.6	2,130	141,799	11,460	7.4	90,290

NOTE: Revisions to population controls and other changes can affect the comparability of labor force levels over time. In recent years, for example, updated population controls have been introduced annually with the release of January data. Information about historical comparability is online at www.bls.gov/cps/documentation.htm#comp.