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To: BroJoeK
The question for Lincoln was not letting the "rest of the South secede", but he was willing to abandon Fort Sumter, if Virginians promised to remain in the Union.

As I pointed out in my previous reply, do you have any idea how nonsensical that sounds? How can he "abandon Fort Sumter" if there is no one to abandon it to? Was he to pull out of it and let nature take it? Let it be overgrown with trees and bushes or something?

Stop spouting nonsense and come to terms with the fact that the war was not even fought to "preserve the Union." Based on what you have told me, It appears now that it was fought to "preserve the hegemony."

Yes, there is a cause worth dying for. To preserve the wealth and power of our North Eastern ruling class, a condition which has seemingly persisted till today, and is even now creating the same sort of resentment to the Washington corridor power brokers that likely existed back then.

My eyes are opened even wider now. Thank you for that.

232 posted on 12/09/2014 6:54:40 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Sherman Logan; rockrr
DiogenesLamp: "As I pointed out in my previous reply, do you have any idea how nonsensical that sounds?
How can he "abandon Fort Sumter" if there is no one to abandon it to?
Was he to pull out of it and let nature take it?
Let it be overgrown with trees and bushes or something? "

Again, I admit to underestimating how utterly ignorant of real history you are, and how eager to distort and mock it.

So I'll briefly repeat my post above: Lincoln met & discussed with representatives from Virginia's secession convention, at one point suggesting to them that a Virginia pledge of loyalty to the Union could be enough to allow Lincoln to abandon Fort Sumter.

But the importance of Virginia's pledge was in-no-way to recognize the Confederacy, but rather to free Lincoln's hands, without threat of further secessions, to take such actions as Lincoln deemed necessary & proper to restore the Union!

256 posted on 12/09/2014 1:27:10 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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