Posted on 11/28/2014 11:39:14 AM PST by FlJoePa
Happy 48-14 Day PSU fans!
I understand when people are put under oath. Something Louis Freeh never did while conducting his “investigation”, which suckers like you bought hook, line, and sinker.
Now, HE will be under oath and will have to explain his actions.
As far as GS/GS/TC - there is no evidence (obviously) to proceed with a trial. It there was, it wouldn’t have lingered for nearly 3 years.
>> Why should you be bothered by my opinion?
Learn to read for meaning, sparky. I’m NOT bothered by your opinion. Nor am I influenced by it. That was the essence of my last reply to you. Look up ‘sarcasm’ if you’re still having trouble understanding.
Run along now. There must be some LGBTQP cause that needs that special touch that only you can provide.
Learn to read for meaning, Sparky. I agreed that my meaning doesn't reach you. Of course your need to make sure I understand that point belies your claim. Look up "laughing" if you're still having trouble understanding.
Run along now. There must be some LGBTQP cause that needs that special touch that only you can provide.
Oh look, you know all the "special" letters. Now why is that?
The guilt is corporate. The board knew too. Whole program should have been whacked. They even complained about the punishment. PSU will now and forever be known as the hypocrites who knew kids were being raped and did nothing.
Funny how Penn Staters will believe any rumor about Pitt but deny when one of their own gets caught red-handed.
2-5 in the Big Ten. Yeah, you guys are alive and kickin’.
I grew up in Pittsburgh, and have nothing but love for all of the teams there -- including the Panthers.
I know guys who went to school with him. There was a reason the Steelers took a pass on Danny, even though he was willing to make significant concessions to play there, and it wasn't because of "rumors."
Well then let's just slander the entire school and tens of thousands of students because they were obviously all in on it, as well as every football player, right?
No. But so many people want to do just that.
“Well then let’s just slander the entire school and tens of thousands of students because they were obviously all in on it, as well as every football player, right? “
What is the thing you here at EVERY SINGLE PEDSTATE GAME?!?
“WE ARE PENN STATE!”
Everywhere, every game, ad nauseum.
So, yes. They all bear some responsibility. Board especially. It went on for a decade, man. 10 years or more. Are you of the mind that no one raindrop is responsible for the flood?
They will always, forever more, be associated with the school sanctioned rape of children.
They are PED STATE.
Logical reasoning is not your forte.
But you sound like you'd be pretty handy with a rope, a tree, and some friends with burning torches at midnight.
WE ARE...PENN STATE! And damn proud of it!
:)
Anyone with issues pertaining to Penn State can KMA! because I don’t care :)
We will always be the school that the media tried to destroy and even some conservatives bought into the media spin yet we survived and thrived. :)
CFB is a business. They covered it up to protect the business. It’s not slander if its true, and it was true. Sandusky’s in jail. JoPa knew. Spanier knew. Not only did Spanier know, he was determined to push that agenda from the top down. All gay, every day.
The NCAA is a joke now. When the look back on how it all came apart, they’ll start with SMU, but the big one will be PedState. UCLA, Ohio State, homeless athletes bringing in billions.
It’s a business. They made a business decision. It bit them on the tail, as those sorts of things are wont to do.
Way back when, when USF was run by the clergy (ironically), they made the decision to end the basketball program after the scandal it caused there. Bill Russell came from that school - 10 NBA championship rings to his name - only guy that can make that claim.
They ended the program. If PedState had a shred of integrity, they would have shut the thing down and reevaluated the role that NCAA sports has at the school.
They didn’t do that. Nope. They stayed quiet for a barely respectable amount of time, then they pissed and moaned about the punishment until they could make it go away. Kinda like Ray Rice did. All Ray did was knock out his wife in an elevator and got caught on camera.
Maybe PedState should install cameras in the showers?
Maybe they did years ago and sold the files?
Questions without answers.
Attacking the responsible administrators is appropriate. Trashing the entire school, all the students, all the alumni, all the academic achievements, all athletes and the entire reputation of the history of the university is absurd.
Danny got put in his place in that game. He just got shut down.
...perhaps...but you forgot to mention the 1907 game on that same date...when Pitt knocked off PSU 6-0...
...who cares about a game played years ago, you might ask...?Exactly...
Trashing the entire school, all the students, all the alumni, all the academic achievements, all athletes and the entire reputation of the history of the university is absurd.
...I think you’re missing the point...the OP always posts stuff like this, knowing he’s going to be attacked by the usual culprits, who in turn get attacked by other usual culprits, et voila, silliness abounds...
...the real question is why anyone would be so attention deprived as to continuously whip up nonsensical threads...
If PedState had a shred of integrity, they would have shut the thing down and reevaluated the role that NCAA sports has at the school.
That’s what Sandusky said to the ten year old in the shower.
KMA, son.
If PedState had a shred of integrity, they would have shut the thing down and reevaluated the role that NCAA sports has at the school.
...no, the football program was only peripherally involved, the major culprits were the president, the nominal head of the campus police force,and the athletic director...and they only to the extent that they knew of Jerry’s proclivities, and decided to let that knowledge ride, so long as Jerry did his business somewhere else...which, as we all now know, he did with gusto at a high school some distance from PSU...evidence of actual events at PSU is quite limited, and at any rate Jerry’s foundation bore the brunt of responsibility for his sociopathology moreso than the university...
...in hindsight, we all now see that the PSU administrators erred in keeping the matter in house, but clearly they thought it would never blow up the way it did, and thus made their erroneous calculus...as for Joe Paterno, who had input into the matter and went along with the decision, we must remember that he was a football coach not a sociologist, and he left the matter to those he believed would better handle it...and again in hindsight we see the fallacy in that...
...in the end, the proper sanctions to the football program seem to have worked out...the original sanctions were too harsh, and the reductions were warranted...it would appear that the more ardent PSU fans feel that the characterization of Paterno’s involvement in the Freeh report crossed a line into defamation, that he colluded, with malice, in a cover-up designed to hide criminal activity...I acknowledge their frustration with that, and don’t believe malicious intent entered into any decision that was made, by anybody...but it is clear that poor judgement was employed, as they knew, after McQueary, they had a repeat molester (with emeritus stature) that they were responsible for bringing to the program...
The trouble I have with all of it was that this was child rape happening on school grounds, and several people in positions of statutory responsibility to report the felony failed to do so.
What prompted their silence was the business calculation that this wouldn’t ever come out. How they came to this conclusion is somewhat apparent - Happy Valley is a small place and its a well connected one. Odds were better than even they could keep it quiet. The obvious problem with that strategy is that every year they lid that down, the crime becomes that much more heinous.
Had it happened, and someone reported it, they could have more than survived it. I’m not sure there would have been any repercussions.
What most people outside of HV can’t understand is how everyone from Spanier down to the AD (with JoPa in the middle somewhere) decided that not reporting was OK. There were actual rape victims. There were the kids who had committed to the program, and other programs there. There was the research - such that the board felt the research was actually worth doing, and not something that just funded the university.
If my wife, a lowly HS teacher, got caught knowing something like this happened, and didn’t report it, she’d be charged with a crime, and she’d lose her certificate (WA state).
At bottom, they seemed to have made a business decision. They put the fiscal interest of the university and its employees before they interests of the victims of the crimes committed by their employee on their property. You report it promptly, you are going to be sued, but at least there wouldn’t be the possibility of punitive damages, which I would think any jury in the country would award in a heart beat.
What hasn’t been said is that, morally, what this did to the PSU marque, and all the high-minded virtue its supposed to enshrine, is that when the chips are down, cover it up and lie about it.
It’s one thing if you are making phones. You do that sort of thing and you make a widget of some sort, find the people involved and fire them and move on.
PSU makes professionals. People who are supposed to uphold the ethics of their chosen professions when they leave Happy Valley and contribute to society and the country.
PSU had a CLASSIC ethical dilemma and it failed so completely at it that it calls into question every single process by which professional and ethical education is being administered and delivered there.
The football program is the program that generated the funds that made every other athletic program on campus go, and moreover it brought in serious alumni and foundation bucks to build facilities, etc. Sandusky was high up in that organization, and JP was the virtual chairman of the board of the school. The schools rise to prominence as an academic institution came as a result of JP’s success in building the football program. To characterize that as a peripheral involvement is to stretch the definition of the word peripheral, or central, or core.
Had JP said, “No way. I can’t go along with this. That it hasn’t been reported before is incredible and frightening, and we are obligated to do it. As such, before we do, let’s get our board together and consult a crisis PR firm right now” nobody would have batted an eyelash.
JP would still be a hero. PSU would have passed its ethical test. The NCAA would have given them a pass. Sandusky would still be in jail. PSU would still have been sued in civil court.
The more time that passes on this, the more egregious the aftermath. A reasonable employer could say to a grad, “You’ve got a degree from PSU. Let’s talk ethics for a moment.” Of course, it would never come to that, because there’s no way they’d make the interview stage.
The brand is tainted forever. They don’t even appear sorry, except of course for having been caught. The statue is gone, but you hear a lot of grumbling about that.
The stain is corporate. It’s still there. That’s what reasonably prudent people feel about the school who know about the incident.
The slope is getting more slippery, however. In 25 years, they may make Sandusky a martyr, and say he was jailed for what passes as normative behavior - the attraction between older men and younger men in a consensual relationship. It would not surprise me in the least.
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