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Can the present Ebola strain be airborne under the right conditions?
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Posted on 10/26/2014 5:07:51 PM PDT by nomad

This site claims a USAMRIID study found that Ebola can, under colder and dryer conditions, be as infectious and airborne as Infuenza Type-A. This is to any freeper Docs or labtechs, could you study the data in greater detail and post your findings?


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: ebola
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To: Morpheus2009
No, it doesn't change itself. Forgive the shorthanded use of an imprecise term. The point being that the virus doesn't kill its victims as quickly as it used to. Here are the truly scary details:

viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.


61 posted on 10/26/2014 6:33:28 PM PDT by JoanVarga (Primordial Slack)
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To: exDemMom
I really do not understand the fixation with airborne, and why it won’t go away despite every expert in the world saying it isn’t airborne.

Call me slightly skeptical, but just because experts have said it won't doesn't mean that it hasn't or won't. I wouldn't consider it a fixation, it is rather a healthy skepticism. I would prefer to err on the side of caution.

All of the experts from the CDC who have given us information over the airways have all said that Ebola can't do this or that only to backtrack at some point, meanwhile two nurses get infected while taking care of a man who dies of it. None of them know how they got infected. If I were the nursing director, my nurses would act as if it could be airborne.

The only thing the experts have done is encourage Obama to trot out a worthless czar, because who really wants to be held responsible for it all?

62 posted on 10/26/2014 6:34:54 PM PDT by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read all of Deuteronomy 28)
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To: acapesket
Are those Bammy’s “experts”?

Puhleeze!

Just go away! Your blatant indoctrination always shows up on theses threads.

We cannot stop Air Travel because it will “disinscentive” resume enhancers to go to Africa? Like we did not handle the tsunami in Thailand without “Commercial flights?’

Go Away you.

Those experts are the same ones who have been studying Ebola for decades, and have been educating Obama and the rest of the government about the disease. If the people who have spent their lives studying the disease and going to deal with outbreaks in Africa aren't experts, then who is?

I am sorry you do not appreciate the fact that I *do* happen to be an expert in this area, and I spend a considerable amount of time and effort to make sure that people have correct information. I will not go away because some people's entire "education" about infectious diseases consists of fiction or semi-fiction like "The Hot Zone", "Outbreak", or "Contagion" and they think that disease response in real life must happen the way it does in novels. It doesn't.

If people would stop posting threads containing misinformation, I would stop posting correct information.

63 posted on 10/26/2014 6:42:17 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

And as for encountering an Ebola patient, with the PC garbage this regime is forcing down our throats? I say close ALL comercial flights and use military or charter flights. I`ll repeat, I LIVE NEAR AKRON, OHIO. Ever heard of Amber Vinson? BTW, her family works at Kent State University, my daughter is attending Kent State, well? Nice roll of the dice, eh Dem-mom? So this is personal.


64 posted on 10/26/2014 6:42:30 PM PDT by nomad
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To: exDemMom
I really do not understand the fixation with airborne, and why it won’t go away despite every expert in the world saying it isn’t airborne.

If I might essay a suggestion, it's because you, and they, are speaking in medical terms and the media are speaking in the vernacular.

As I understand it, "airborne" refers to the virus being ejected in large doses in the mucosa of the lungs. If the virus is not present in the lung mucosa, the thing isn't airborne. That much is fairly straightforward.

Naturally, other body fluids such as saliva, vomit, and even, under some circumstances, blood, are also ejectable through sneezing, coughing, etc, but in considerably smaller amounts. If those amounts are infective then we have a virus that is not "airborne" but is potentially contagious through ejected body fluids anyway, but not terribly contagious and under fairly rare circumstances.

I could be entirely wrong about this but that's my understanding. Best to you.

65 posted on 10/26/2014 6:43:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: JoanVarga

No offense taken. Natural Selection favors the more effective virus. Frankly, the longer time frame offers some explanation for why Ebola is not burning itself out.


66 posted on 10/26/2014 6:46:14 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: exDemMom

okay Alledged Mother… you want to put your alleged kids on a plane out of JFK that came in from Brussels Air or some other Connective airline?
Mother?… my ass.


67 posted on 10/26/2014 6:48:00 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Battle Axe

I have a healthy skepticism of studies, particularly those that are not reproduced in controlled settings. I do not think we will know how Ebola behaves in the US until we have gained substantial experience with it through dozens of cases. I hope we do not gain this experience, but I am afraid we might. Until then we have to act with more caution that we think indicated, because we don’t know what we don’t know. Being cavalier about the disease and how its transmitted will come back to bite those who approach it in that fashion. As has already happened at least twice thanks to the CDC


68 posted on 10/26/2014 6:53:17 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Slyfox
All of the experts from the CDC who have given us information over the airways have all said that Ebola can't do this or that only to backtrack at some point, meanwhile two nurses get infected while taking care of a man who dies of it. None of them know how they got infected. If I were the nursing director, my nurses would act as if it could be airborne.

The nurses were not using PPE correctly, a situation that was fixed only when the CDC showed up.

If you were nursing director, and instructing your nurses to use airborne, rather than droplet, precautions, your nurses would NOT be protected against Ebola. The precautions actually have to be tailored to the mode of transmission. The droplet/contact precautions for Ebola are far more stringent than airborne precautions.

69 posted on 10/26/2014 6:54:35 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

okay Alledged Mother… you want to put your alleged kids on a plane out of JFK that came in from Brussels Air or some other Connective airline?
Mother?… my ass.

BTW never read any of those books, nor go to the movies but I do follow the corrupt CDC, headed by a dip$hit that banned smoking and Big Gulps in NY.

It is all blathering B/S Dem/rot.
They don’t know sh$t from Shinola.

I do not wish to have my family exposed to a disease that could be stopped .
Liberalism is a Mental disorder, and PC will kill us all.

If Zip$hit can send the Military then he can get the Meds back in a safe way.

Commercial Airlines… really?
You are a hopeless in doctrinaire.

All you say defies Common Sense… Ellis Island…Anyone?


70 posted on 10/26/2014 6:56:22 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: exDemMom

I appreciate the fact that you are a self annointed expert on Ebola. It is just your approach that will kill people. A virus acts very differently on a wild population than in a lab. People can and will do unpredictable things.
Again, we will not know how Ebola acts in the current conditions in the US until we have gained experience with multiple cases. Until that time, I am for an excess of precautions rather than unsupported confidence in what “experts” say.


71 posted on 10/26/2014 6:59:33 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: exDemMom

THey were following the CDC guidelines as they existed at the time. The CDC was woefully behind and WRONG regarding precautions to be taken. And they change their recommendations almost daily.


72 posted on 10/26/2014 7:01:16 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Billthedrill

Thank you.

I try to simplify my language as much as possible. It’s a real challenge, since simplification can lead to inaccuracy unless one is extremely careful.

Your understanding is mostly accurate. Airborne particles are tiny enough to float in the air and be carried away from the patient. Otherwise, I think you got it.


73 posted on 10/26/2014 7:04:22 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Mom MD

Thanks for the common sense! Now if only it was contagious.


74 posted on 10/26/2014 7:04:22 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Billthedrill

But the studies have shown it`s present in sputum, mucosa or not.


75 posted on 10/26/2014 7:06:55 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Mom MD
THey were following the CDC guidelines as they existed at the time. The CDC was woefully behind and WRONG regarding precautions to be taken. And they change their recommendations almost daily.

They weren't, that's the problem. Apparently, nurses were putting on as many as 4 pairs of gloves (we typically double-glove for that dangerous stuff), and using surgical tape to close up openings around their necks and so forth. The problem with that is that if any infectious material gets onto the tape, the act of removing the tape can fling that material onto any exposed skin. The hospital did not have the correct PPE available, and nurses complained that their necks were exposed. There have been several news reports about this. I have no doubt that the results of the investigation will be described in a future MMWR issue, so that we can all see what went wrong.

76 posted on 10/26/2014 7:10:44 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Paladin2

Yea, since the Assclown in chief won`t cut off the flights or people bringing it in!


77 posted on 10/26/2014 7:17:14 PM PDT by nomad
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To: exDemMom

The CDC has stated the nurses were following the guidelines. The CDC guidelines have been inadequate and changing almost daily. You can worship at their altar if you want, but I am disgusted. Not surprised, just disgusted.


78 posted on 10/26/2014 7:23:45 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: sten

But will decreasing the temperature increase viral survivability? Key question as we, unlike Africa, have winters and President Obola doesn`t seem to want to protect Americans thru established epidemiological procedures like isolation and quarantine.


79 posted on 10/26/2014 7:24:14 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Mom MD
If one wants to use "Science" (actually statistics in this case) to assure peeps that something can't happen in a country of 330,000,000 or so peeps, a sample of a few thousands is not enough to declare certainty.

On the other hand, if there are studies the PROVE that 0b0la can not take up residence in, say, the US feral deer population (et.al.) then maybe the risk of bring 0b0la organisms to the New World is not so high.

80 posted on 10/26/2014 7:28:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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