Posted on 10/16/2014 8:36:25 AM PDT by GonzoII
Germany: Holy War Erupts in Hamburg
by Soeren Kern
October 15, 2014 at 5:00 am
"We are living in Hamburgistan." Daniel Abdin, imam of Hamburg's Al-Nour Mosque.
One politician has been repeatedly threatened with beheading as the price to pay for leading a fundraising campaign to provide food and water for Kurds in northern Iraq.
"As a society we must ask ourselves: how can it be that people who live in Germany and... born and raised here, are supporters of a brutal, inhuman and fundamentalist group such as the IS and attack peaceful protestors with knives, sticks and machetes. Here in Germany, the IS threatens to become a refuge for frustrated young people ." Claudia Roth, Vice-President, German Parliament.
"Under no circumstances should [politicians who receive death threats] give in and change their stance, otherwise the extremists will have achieved their objectives." Wolfgang Bosbach, CDU official.
Parts of downtown Hamburg, the second-largest city in Germany, resembled a war zone after hundreds of supporters of the jihadist group Islamic State [IS] engaged in bloody street clashes with ethnic Kurds.
The violencewhich police say was as ferocious as anything seen in Germany in recent memoryis fuelling a sense of foreboding about the spillover effects of the fighting in Syria and Iraq.
Some analysts believe that rival Muslim groups in Germany are deliberately exploiting the ethnic and religious tensions in the Middle East to stir up trouble on the streets of Europe.
The unrest began on the evening of October 7, when around 400 Kurds gathered outside the Al-Nour mosque near the central train station in Hamburg's St. George district to protest against IS attacks on the Syrian Kurdish town of Kobani.
According to police, the initially peaceful protest turned violent when the Kurds were confronted by a rival group of around 400 Salafists armed with baseball bats, brass knuckles, knives, machetes and metal rods used to hold meat in kebab restaurants.
In the melee that followed, more than a dozen people were injured, including one person who nearly had his leg chopped off by someone wielding a machete, and another person who was stabbed in the stomach with a kebab rod.
Some 1,300 police officers, brandishing batons and accompanied by water cannons, were deployed to halt the clashes, which lasted into the early morning hours of October 8. In the final tally, hundreds of weapons were seized and 22 people were arrested.
German police in riot gear, accompanied by armored vehicles and water cannons, charge into a street battle between Kurds and radical Islamists in Hamburg, Oct. 8, 2014. (Image source: N24 video screenshot)
"I had the feeling that we are living in Hamburgistan," the imam of the Al-Nour mosque, Daniel Abdin, told the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel. "The atmosphere was very, very explosive."
Police said they were shocked by what they described as an unprecedented level of violence.
In an interview with the newspaper Passau Neue Presse, the chairman of the German Police Union, Rainer Wendt, reported that police in Hamburg "experienced life-threatening brute force" by perpetrators who were armed "to the teeth." Wendt warned that the IS-Kurdish conflict is "threatening to unleash a proxy war on German soil."
A police official in Hamburg, Gerhard Kirsch, said the level of the violence points to a new "dangerous dimension" that "we have so far not seen at other demonstrations."
The chairman of the German Police Union in Hamburg, Joachim Lenders, described the viciousness as unprecedented. "The violence in the early hours of Wednesday was of a ruthless and inhuman brutality as I have rarely experienced," he said, adding that without the timely deployment of the police there would almost certainly have been fatalities. Lenders added:
"If in the middle of Hamburg 800 hostile people are fighting each other with machetes, knives and iron rods, there must be consequences for the perpetrators. Politically motivated extremists and religious fanatics have brought a conflict to Hamburg that cannot be solved here."
On the same day of the unrest in Hamburg, dozens of mostly Chechen Muslim immigrants clashed with Kurdish Yazidisa non-Arab and non-Muslim minority that has been persecuted by ISin Celle, a town in Lower Saxony that is home to more than 7,000 Yazidis. Police said the violence, in which nine people were injured, was fuelled via social media after radical Muslim preachers sent out a call to Islamists to confront the Yazidis.
The conflict in Celle was reminiscent ofbut far more violent thanthe Muslim-Yazidi clashes that occurred in the eastern Westphalian town of Herford in August.
"Solidarity with Kobani" demonstrations have also taken place in Munichwhere protestors waving large Kurdish flags occupied the offices of the Christian Social Union [CSU], the Bavaria-based sister party to Germany's ruling Christian Democratic Union party [CDU]as well as in the western German cities of Berlin, Bremen, Göttingen, Hamm, Hannover, Kiel, Oldenburg and Stuttgart.
Germany is home to an estimated 4.3 million Muslims, one million Kurds and 60,000 Yazidis. According to the 2013 annual report (published in June 2014) of the German domestic intelligence agency, the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz [BfV], Germany is also home to 30 active Islamist groups and 43,000 Islamists, including 950 members of the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah, 1,300 members of the Muslim Brotherhood and 5,500 Salafists.
Salafism is a radically anti-Western ideology that openly seeks to replace democracy in Germany (and in other parts of the West) with an Islamic government based on Sharia law.
Although Salafists make up only a fraction of the Muslims in Germany, authorities are increasingly concerned that many of those attracted to Salafi ideology are impressionable young Muslims who are susceptible to perpetrating terrorist acts in the name of Islam.
German authorities have faced criticism for being overly complacent concerning the rise of Salafism in the country. On October 2, for example, the German public broadcaster ARD revealed that German officials have for many years pursued a secret policy of encouraging German Islamists to travel abroad rather than to invest in counter-radicalization efforts. According to ARD, the general idea was that if German jihadists were intent on committing terrorist acts, it would be better that they do so somewhere else than inside Germany.
The overall aim was to "protect our population" by exporting the problem, the head of counter-terrorism for Bavarian Police, Ludwig Schierghofer, told ARD. The reasoning was "to bring those persons who pose a risk that they will commit terrorist attacks outside of the country," he said. "If someone had become radicalized and wanted to leave, then the policy was to allow them to leave or even accelerate their departure by various means."
An estimated 450 German Muslims have traveled to Syria and Iraq, and at least 100 are now believed to have returned to Germany.
Meanwhile, a growing number of German politicians are receiving death threats from German Salafists.
One such politician, Tobias Huch of the (classical liberal) Free Democratic Party [FDP], has been repeatedly threatened with beheading as the price to pay for leading a fundraising campaign to provide food and water for Kurds in northern Iraq.
"I am not afraid, but I have become more careful," says Huch, who now receives police protection. He says he has altered his daily comings and goings in order to be less predictable. Among other lifestyle changes, he has cut out regular visits to restaurants, pubs and other public venues.
Another politician, Ismail Tipi of the ruling CDU, is paying the price for criticizing the rise of Salafism in Germany. "I receive threats almost every day," Tipi says. "The death threats against me have no limits. The Salafists want to behead me, shoot me, stone me, execute me and they have many other death wishes for me."
According to CDU official Wolfgang Bosbach, politicians who receive death threats should not allow themselves to be intimidated. "Under no circumstances should they give in and change their stance, otherwise the extremists will have achieved their objectives."
The head of the FDP, Christian Lindner agrees. "It is unacceptable for Liberals to allow religious extremists to take an ax to the central values of our constitution. We will not give in to threats and intimidation, rather we will demand the determined reaction of the rule of law."
By contrast, the Vice President of the German Parliament, Claudia Roth of the Green Party, believes the growing radicalization of Muslims in Germany points to problems in German society. In an interview with the newspaper Die Welt, Roth said:
"The violent clashes between Kurdish and Islamist groups in German cities and on German streets refer more to internal German problems than the situation in northern Syria and northern Iraq.
"As a society we must ask ourselves: how can it be that people who live in Germany and in large part are born and raised here, are supporters of a brutal, inhuman and fundamentalist terror group such as the IS and attack peaceful protestors with knives, sticks and machetes. Here in Germany, the IS threatens to become a refuge for frustrated young people who lack future prospects."
While politicians debate causes and solutions to the problem of radical Islam, police throughout Germany remain on alert for more violence.
Soeren Kern is a Senior Fellow at the New York-based Gatestone Institute. He is also Senior Fellow for European Politics at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group. Follow him on Facebook and on Twitter.
To lay out the Hamburg cops....it’s known around Germany that one central region of town is sort of a forbidden zone. You don’t go around after dark, and if called for some emergency....you go with several cops because the locals don’t like the cops on their turf. All of this comes up because of 9-11 and what the FBI came to discover as they rode up to Hamburg to discuss leads after the event.
I can’t think of many episodes like that...as I live around Frankfurt and we have Islamic zones there but cops won’t back down in that town.
The curious thing which I will point out after viewing the whole Islamic thing is that there are various foreign communities which have no connection to each other (Turks, Lebanese, Syrian, Iranian, Egyptian, Algerian, etc) other than Islam. The Saudis? If you find any...they live in upscale homes and drive expensive cars, and they never hangout with the lesser crowd.
Whoever dreamed up the mosque construction scheme in Germany....merely pinned hopes on drawing the various groups to frequent together and build some social club together, with Islam weighing more than being German, or being a former Syrian or Turk or Egyptian. It’s an odd strategy to play out, but appears over twenty years to have worked.
The authorities there need to release to the press and public that Germany not too long ago stood by and let savages take over which resulted in a world war of destruction and death. Germany will not stand by and let it happen again so as a result, all police forces are instructed to use deadly force, shoot to kill on sight, any and all islam protesters. There will be given no mercy.
Y’all reckon it will happen? Nope? Didn’t think so.
Well, that would mess up the statistical shooting records for German cops. They tend to stay between forty and fifty rounds shot for an average year....throughout all of Germany, with all cops counted, in performance of their job. There’s never been a bulk round discharge of 100 rounds at one single crime episode in Germany, since WW II, as far as I know.
Well obviously they need Mikey Bloomberg to bring his toxic brand of gun control to their streets so that everything will be hunky-dory.
I’ve thought the same about the Brits: they are gun shy after years of the IRA and that’s why they won’t take on the muslems.
And meanwhile Cardinal Kasper is trying his best to destroy Catholicism in Rome...
“....supporters of the jihadist group Islamic State [IS] engaged in bloody street clashes with ethnic Kurds.”
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Arm the Kurds with automatic weapons.
Mr. Lenhart, I would definitely vote for you if you ran for congressman.
I would never call you a congress critter.
It’s probably best that health keeps me from running for anything. Because my political role models are Reagan and Vlad Tepes. And I would be quite undemocratic in my approach for the first term of office.
Even more reason for me to vote 4 U.
If you had asked almost any German cop in those days what he thought of Turks, any Turk, he would by the expression in this face told you what he did think of them.
Silly to ask a question when you don’t want to hear the answer, Germans.
“How is Godless Western Secularism void of Christianity going to deal with it? That is the fundamental question.”
The ‘secular church’ doesn’t represent true follower of Christ. The answer, is in the Word. God HIMSELF, is going to deal with them. Without mercy, or warning. Isis believes they are ‘gaining ground’ due to their own doing, but, little do they know they are being ‘led’ by God to the place of their ‘final battle’...their “endgame”.
Note: this topic is from 10/16/2014. PEGIDA ping. Thanks GonzoII.
Angry young men ready to fight and kill are an important PART OF THE RELIGION. It's an intended (but hidden) consequence - one of many incentives that makes Islam evil.
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