Posted on 10/02/2014 7:49:46 AM PDT by C19fan
A highly religious man who was a former pacifist and the legendary pistol he carried are responsible for one of the most impressive acts of an American fighting man in the nation’s history.
His name was Sgt. Alvin York and during World War I he used a M1911 .45-caliber pistol to stop an attack by six German soldiers while he helped assault a German machine-gun nest near Chatel-Chéhéry on the Western Front.
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This is how it performs at 10 yards. .................................... Nice tight group, but it changes when there is another 9mm to 45cal. being fired at you.
Well, if you put any stock in the latest report from the FBI there is rough parity. In fact, this latest report states a preference for 9mm over .45. They argue the ballistics are similar and that, in fact, 9mm has an advantage because it is cheaper, carries more rounds, and has less recoil.
Don’t shoot the messenger. I carry .45 in the winter and 9mm in the summer.
10mm, i’d’say.
Does the Bubble Boy have Obola?...
OK, Ive seen this before. It certainly isnt the whole picture. What was your point of posting it?
Just a matter of interest, nothing pointed.
I read that when York was asked how he was able to shoot six guys who were charging him, he replied that he knew if he shot the first guy, the rest would stop and shoot him. So . . . he started with the last guy and worked his way up the line to No. 1.
When I read that, my admiration for this man's cool thinking went through the roof. How many of us would have been calm enough to make that decision in the heat of battle?
I agree that the Colt m1911 is the greatest handgun devised by a true American, John Moses Browning, who hailed from Utah, by the way.
As a former junior NRA competition team member, I used the 1911 frame, although chambered in .38Super. I liked the pistol, but waas no way near the age, to own one for myself.
As a Vietnam veteran, I was introduced to the Smith and Wesson Model 15 Combat Masterpiece revolver, chambered in .38Special. I love this revolver design, and the cartridge does have performance that fits my needs.
I have looked at various 1911 frames, and just recently Colt has started manufacturing 1911’s for the U.S. military. The various models are far more costly than my present budget.
I do own the ‘other brainchild’ of JMB, the Browning Hi-Power, in two different versions, but in the 9mm Parabellum chambering.
Yes, the M1911 .45ACP was designed, and is proven as a man-stopper.
Yes, a very famous Lt.Col. is recorded to say that the 9mm has killed many Europeans, in European wars, and should stay there.
So, in my choosing to retain a .38Special revolver, know this: I can shoot a bunch of 9mm-filled magazines, while attempting to maintain round count. I can shoot SIX and only SIX, well, and then ‘break the gun’ before continuing. A 158-grain solid lead semi-wadcutter can do enough ‘work’, for what I demand, whether it be paper targets, small game, a miscreant feral critter, or self defense.
I do agree that the U.S. military should return to it’s M1911 roots.
No, no.
Your argument absolutely holds water.
A .45 is 8 +1 standard mag or 10 +1 Wilson mag.
Definitely bigger holes, more cavitation, especially with quick follow on shots, closely grouped.
You definitely have superior fire power but, your load out suffers compared to a 9mm, for the reasons you pointed out.
I also prefer .308 in M1A but, again, bigger holes and short comings compared to a .223/.556, which holds more rounds standard, weighs a whole lot less as does a full load out of 180-220 rounds.
typical AR has 20 round mags and will deliver twice as many rounds before I reload, if I don’t drop from exhaustion of carrying a similar load out.
My mags are steel compared to polymer mags and 10 rounds of .308 weigh more than 20 rounds 223/556.
for both my preferences I pay horrible compared to the 9mm&AR dudes.
But, my theory is shoot a man with a big bullet and be done with it, as well my hope is to be 500+ yards away....
like that’ll happen.
There you go.
Haven’t shot one yet but, would be nice addy to my collection, which is going to explode next yesr
“what competes with a .45 JHP 230 grain?”
Lots of rounds can and do including the .40 S&W 155gr Gold Dot at 1250fps.
“typical AR has 20 round mags “
Since when? 30 rounds is the standard mag.
Knowledge was behind his courage.
What a silly question. What do you mean by “compete?” Are you factoring in barrel length? Ability to accurately place follow-up shots? Reliability of the weapon itself? Female shooters? Male shooters? Old shooters?
For me, I’ll take a .357 wheel gun loaded with Federal 125 grains JHPs because I prefer the reliability of the wheel gun and I am strong enough to handle the kick.
Ahh stop.
I was trying to simplify the discussion...
LOL
Yep, but recall that in “Enter the Dragon”, Lee’s character asked “why not just use a .45?” :-)
What I was trying to point out is other arms hold twice as many rounds as my go to’s.
My brother prefers AR for practicality, while I prefer M1A because I have always loved em, in all variants, since the first one I shot when I was 12.
I am getting a couple en blocks next year, standard and three more M1A.
I am going pull the stock off and turn into an AR but, still .308.
Also going to get a few more Kimber .45. Love the two I have.
Then I’m getting a few XD’s.
Probably a .300 or .333 and I’ll drop a Bender and Schmidt on it just for the “Ooh, Ahh!’s” at the range.
Luepold MK IV have served me well but, I want a kewel tool, that very few can touch, much less purchase.
I was thinking mostly of shooters like me and my brother.
Accuracy kills and so does hesitation. ..
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