Dallas Ebola Patient VOMITED WILDLY Outside Apartment On Way to Hospital

Gateway Pundit ^ | 10/1/14 | Jim Hoft

[Kartographer]

Thomas Duncan was vomiting wildly outside of this apartment on the way to the hospital. Yahoo reported:

Two days after he was sent home from a Dallas hospital, the man who is the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States was seen vomiting on the ground outside an apartment complex as he was bundled into an ambulance.

[Vermont Lt]

Yes. You are incorrect. All indications are that you do not pass on the virus until you are symptomatic. That takes 2-21 days. And the effects are pretty debilitating, pretty quickly.

If you consider the environment where this stuff has taken off, the lack of mobility has been a godsend. If you got sick, you stayed in place. Once it hits civilization, people are transported via vehicles and it starts to spread more widely.

[palmer]

Yep zinc is the key IMO. The virus takes advantage of the immune system so strengthening that may not help much. There is a window where the immune system rapidly succeeds or rapidly fails. I would have a bloodstream full of zinc at that point in time.

[Solson]

Good thing Dogs don’t lick people on a normal basis.

[palmer]

Although it's unclear why we should expect individual foreigners to impose travel restrictions on themselves the US government isn't bothering to impose.

It's clear to me there is only one person to blame for this and his initials are FUBO.

[Sherman Logan]

The present medical consensus with regard to contagion is this:

Infected people are not contagious during the period before symptoms begin. This can be from 2 to 21 days after exposure. Apparently based primarily on how much virus the person was exposed to.

Once symptoms begin, the person is at first slightly contagious, with the degree of contagion increasing till he/she is wildly contagious during the final stages.

A person who survives may still be contagious for several weeks or perhaps months after acute symptoms end.

Any or all of the above may not be entirely accurate, but that is the medical theory at this point.

Good can come out of just about anything, no matter how terrible. This event will allow us to get some idea as to how effectively the spread of this disease can be controlled in a first-world nation as opposed to a third-world toilet. That’s good information to have. Next few weeks will tell.

[Vermont Lt]

But you stated there were lots of cases.

There are NOT lots of cases.

The most detailed report indicates the possibility, but it was clearly not definitive.

The words you used suggested something that was not in the documents easily found with a Google search. That’s all. No need to get all defensive. Just need to be careful with words.

[Sherman Logan]

Thanks for posting.

It only makes sense that Ebola is not nearly as contagious as some panic it is.

After all, it has taken from December of last year, more than 9 months, to reach a total of 7,000 confirmed cases in all countries. That’s in third-world crowded conditions with poor sanitary practices.

While a few individuals got it to Nigeria, similar to one person bringing it here, it has spread to only 20 people so far in that country, again despite third-world medicine.

I’m no epidemiologist, but that’s simply not the profile of spread for a highly contagious disease like the flu.

By comparison, the 1918 flu epidemic appeared in the US in March. During the single month of October, six months later, 200k Americans died from it.

I also find it truly odd that some freepers assume this was planned by Obama an an October Surprise. I simply cannot imagine any way this can help the party in power in an election.

[Sherman Logan]

Supposedly it can’t live long outside a body an sunlight will kill the virus.

Viruses are remarkably diverse.

Some are extremely durable. The smallpox virus, for example, may remain contagious in clothing for years.

Others, such as the AIDS virus, are very fragile. Luckily. Which is why it requires really, really close contact to contract the disease. The virus dies almost immediately outside the body.

"Die" isn't exactly the right word, since viruses aren't really "alive."

Depending of course on how you define "life."

[T-Bone Texan]

Maybe he ate a thin after-dinner mint.

You know, "wafair theen".

[null and void]

The game of Ebola Roulette continues...

*click* spin *click* spin *click* spin…BANG!

Eeeee-bolllll-aaaaaa ping!

Bring Out Your Dead

We’re gonna need

a bigger cart!

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

[Kartographer]

"Infected people are not contagious during the period before symptoms begin. This can be from 2 to 21 days after exposure. Apparently based primarily on how much virus the person was exposed to."

They say this and yet they are hunting down the people he was on the plane. I believe they know a lot about how this disease has behaved in the past, but this time it doesn't always follow their book. They say a lot of things, but you can be damn sure they have been told what not to day as well.

[Jewbacca]

Kerosine and fire.

[RegulatorCountry]

You’re the one making the claim so the burden is upon you, pityar. But, rather than do so you’ve chosen to get angry and defensive. You’re the one with the problem, not me.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Is this what you had in mind? Heh.

[GraceG]

Yes....

Did you watch South park Last night?

“We are the USDA, if it weren’t for us people would be eating dirt and chairs...”

Kinda seemed like they were parodying inept government agencies...

[GraceG]

[ Maybe nobody cleaned it up? Supposedly it can’t live long outside a body an sunlight will kill the virus. ]

I've seen crows eat sick....

[Pelham]

Thank you for the explanation.

Now is the virus not present in body fluids until the time that aches and pains present themselves? Or is it present but just not in numbers sufficient to pose any threat to others?

It just seems curious to me that someone can have the virus in their system but have no possibility of passing it along. Maybe that is the case, or maybe it is a vanishingly small possibility until there is enough of a virus load to provoke an immune response. I certainly don’t know enough about how viruses behave to have an informed opinion.

[Pelham]

From your link. Interesting, although as Regulator Country points out this is from 2005 and he can’t think of any study confirming that dogs can carry the virus. I hope that there is some follow up to see if this is possible. It had occurred to me that we don’t have the same reservoir animals as Africa and that that fact would serve to limit any ebola outbreak in America to human to human transmission.

“Moreover, during the latest epidemics in Gabon and the Republic of Congo, there were many cases where dogs had eaten remains of dead animals infected with the virus, nonetheless without showing visible clinical signs. In order to confirm that these dogs had indeed come into contact with the virus, the scientists looked for the presence of specific Ebola virus antibodies in their blood (3) .

“The percentage of dogs carrying such antibodies increases linearly and significantly the closer they are found to foci of the outbreaks. From 9 % in the two large cities of Gabon, antibody prevalence goes up to 25 % in the untouched villages of the epidemic area, reaching 32 % in the villages where human cases have been attributed to an infected-animal source.

“These domestic animals could therefore become infected and excrete virus over a given period, thus becoming a potential source of infection for humans. This could explain certain as yet un-elucidated human infections. It now appears necessary to assess the role of dogs in Ebola fever outbreaks and take this risk into account in epidemic-control measures. These animals could furthermore be used as indicators of the presence of the virus in the regions where, besides the appearance of cases of both animal and human deaths, there is no external sign as to whether or not Ebola virus is present.”

[piytar]

Fair enough.

[blueplum]

Thanks for the clarification, Sherman Logan.

AOL news (huff?) is reporting that Liberia has filed criminal charges against Duncan for lying on his health form (didn’t say when this form is actually filled out). Duncan is now listed as ‘critical.’

AOL also reports the US has placed Duncan’s family on court-ordered mandatory quarantine, including five school-age children, after the family refused to comply with a voluntary request to quarantine. This is the son’s family, the son being the one who called the CDC about his father in the first place. (stupid is as stupid does)