Posted on 09/16/2014 1:38:15 PM PDT by RC one
It was reported Monday that Bill Gates, Microsoft co-founder and incredibly wealthy guy, and with his wife, Melinda, have given $1 million to Initiative 594 in Washington state. The ballot initiative, if passed by voters on November 4 (and it currently enjoys overwhelming support), will require universal background checks for all firearm purchases in the state.
(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...
“if you let a family member just hold your gun it’s considered a transfer and paperwork has to be filled out - “
No restriction on transfer to spouse. You may temporarily transfer to child under the age of 18 while they are under your supervision.
“Say you’re gone and there’s a break in. If you grab a gun that’s not yours it’s a transfer and you’re in big trouble. “
Temporary transfer is allowed for such a case.
Is this in the initiative? I’m getting all sort of stuff saying this is basically possible - you can’t hand your firearm off to anyone, even a family member without a transfer form ...
I’m getting different information. You say it’s okay but the anti-initiative folks say no ...
“I’m getting different information. You say it’s okay but the anti-initiative folks say no ...”
I am in Florida so was not familiar with the campaigns. I googled the bill, Initiative 594.
“kay thanks -
Wrong!
(f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (i) between spouses or domestic partners; (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such range is located;..
Temporary transfers for "spouses or domestic partners" at an "authorized shooting range", whatever that is. Transfer to your spouse while plinking in a field, or anyone else not in the act of hunting, or to a family member that is not a "bonafide gift" and you are a criminal. Do it twice (they hand it back to you), and you are a felon. You have to read this thing and not just take in soundbites. And you have to read it like a lawyer.
Here is a site that explains some of these points. I think they about 97% accurate. Some of the legal phrases in the bill are open to interpretation.
https://washingtonarmscollectors.org/reference/myths-initiative-594/
” You have to read this thing and not just take in soundbites. And you have to read it like a lawyer. “
I did read it. And the part you excerpted is poorly worded.
But I am not wrong.
Thanks - at first I thought that initiative was Seattle/King county only but now it seems it’s state wide.
LOL. Now is this the anti-gun Gates who has armed guards around him 24/7?
I think it’d be great if this passed then went to the courts and was thrown out.
Okay, got the site - and I am a member of WAC. I see how it’s going. No on 594 and Yes on 591. Real confusing if you don’t read it.
” Transfer to your spouse while plinking in a field, or anyone else not in the act of hunting, or to a family member that is not a “bonafide gift” and you are a criminal. “
I guess you missed the part where it says this section does not apply to transfers between family members.
Yes you are. The whole initiative is poorly worded. Would you want poorly worded law?
In order to shoot with a friend or family member I can only do it at an “authorized” gun range? Does that sound like freedom to you?
“Temporary transfers for “spouses or domestic partners” at an “authorized shooting range”, whatever that is”
You misread it. I know, it is poorly written.
The above is a link to the proposed law for “basic” gun safety. All 18 pages!
Seems that “temporary” loan (whatever that means) of a gun while on a hunt is okay. A gift to a close relative is okay. (Loaning or sale to the relative is not okay)
Seems that at a shooting range you can only let a spouse use your weapon. But not anyone else. Not sure why the rules would be different for hunting rather than a shooting range.
One thing to note, in WA state the gun shows require you to be a member of their group in order to buy or sell weapons. To be a member you have to pass the Federal background check (I think it lasts a year). So purchasers have passed a background check, just not for each time they buy a weapon.
Temporary transfer is allowed for such a case.
Not so simple.
(c) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if such transfer is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to the person to whom the firearm is transferred if: (i) The temporary transfer only lasts as long as immediately necessary to prevent such imminent death or great bodily harm; and (ii) The person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law;
Your friend has an ex-husband that's been threatening her...Your son has to work in a bad part of town...your daughter's apartment has been broken into; are any of these cases in harm of "iminent death"? Probably not. Your son gets rousted at midnight coming home from work in his crappy, souped up car (it's happened to me) with your pistol in his possession. Hello felony!
“In order to shoot with a friend or family member I can only do it at an “authorized” gun range? Does that sound like freedom to you?”
Mr. Alinski, I did not say I supported the bill, I said I didn’t support the bill. But if it passes it is the law and you should understand the law.
“Not so simple.”
Hence my qualifier ‘for such a case’.
Spouses or domestic partners would mean I can’t go shooting with my son and letting him use my shotgun.
And the only way you can have another member of your family use your gun is if you are hunting, or if for temporary use for self defense, or as a gift. (Protection? Does that mean a few minutes as the guy is running towards them? Does it mean a few days with odd hang-up phone calls. Does it mean a year while the cops try to track down their stalker?)
Back to the shooting range. I guess I can give my son the gun as a gift. And he can give it back to me as a gift once we are done.
You just said there are no restrictions in transfering to spouses. I just showed you some of the restrictions plain as day. That makes you wrong.
Transfers to spouses allowed as "bonafide gifts" or at "authorized ranges" or if in harm of "imminent death". I can think about a million situations that are currently legal that fall outside those restrictions, that will, if this initiative passes, make you a felon.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.