Posted on 09/09/2014 8:46:43 PM PDT by 3boysdad
I'm just curious who is ashamed of the Stars and Bars. I was born and raised in the south and this flag always gave me comfort and identity. I slept with it over my bed during my youth. What about you? Today if you even mention it, it's like a fart in church. I say, where are the true southern men?!
In southern states yes. They dodged the recession bullet for the most part this time. Companies are either expanding or moving into many southern areas. My son in law works for a major automotive parts manufacturing company. He's work six and seven day weeks for several months now. Anybody wanting a job can certainly find one and I've seen times when you couldn't. Last time was 1982 in East Tennessee. I have a nephew who took a great job in northern Texas a few months back too. All Non Union.
As a true yankee, the confederate flag doesn’t have the same meaning to me other than being a part of our nation’s history. I will, however, continue to stand up for the right of any American to fly it. (I kinda like that it gives the libs conniptions.)
I would say it depends on your point of view. I live in Missouri near Lexington but I consider myself a Yankee. As a result I don’t have any feelings towards the Confederate flag one way or the other. Now, if my loyalties were reversed and I was a Confederate supporter I can’t think of any reason why the Confederate flag should embarrass me.
LOL I write too much. I was born in 1957. As a kid I remember trips dad and mom would take back up in the Cumberland mountains. I remember seeing Coal Towns. They were dying out then due to roads and changes in mining technology from deep mining to surface. Now you can't tell they were even there unless you know what to look for to tell where houses once stood. Spring time is easiest. Domestic flowers blooming give it away.
Coal Town's became liabilities as did deep mining vs surface. A lot of stuff I've read like The Coal Creek war. That one wasn't in my state history classes in high school LOL. Some of it I learned doing genealogy.
Some of the farces like The New Deal and the development of the TVA was evidence left by old building foundations of flooded communities where factories, stores, school, gas stations, and homes once existed. Reading FDR propaganda you'd think folks were dirt farmers starving to death. Far from it.
I had a few hobbies like collecting old Pre-1900's bottles where you could learn a lot just by looking for them. I've helped dig out old filled in cisterns in the city also. You could tell the Prohibition Era when digging one out that had been filled in LOL. The bottles were Tonics in that ear usually containing a good percentage of alcohol. Cisterns in the city were filled in when utility water was available. It was my uncle, a cousin, my dad and myself mainly looking for them. A lot of history is out there most of it never published.
That war was never about slavery anyways. If it was, the slaves that the north ‘freed’ wouldn’t of been pressed into service.
There are some horror stories to be sure, but there was also a lot of ‘slaves’ being treated decently and lots didn’t want to leave.
Hundreds of years for a one world government? I think it’s far closer than that, which is why people need to wake up.
Very good post, it was a good read.
I always told folks that the war was about centralizing power in DC. I never understood why Lincoln was so revered. He began in my opinion, the decline of the US.
I ended up in S. MS in 1986 due to an AF PCS (Born and raised in Rochester, NY). Still here and have adopted the rich heritage of the South as my own.
Banning it is re-writing history...which is worse?
As a Yankee, I don’t have a problem with rebel flags. Its part of the history of the USA. People who have a problem are professional cry babies.
Hell, what country in the world names Military Bases after people who rebelled against their country?
Good point ;’)
The Confederate States of America ceased to exist as a country shortly after the surrender at Appomattox. Its military forces were disbanded and/or interned, the members of its government were arrested, and its territory was occupied for several years afterwards. The lack of a "formal surrender" is thus moot.
That its symbols and flags are still occasionally used to adorn bumperstickers and such is as little evidence of the continuation of the C.S.A. as the frequent sighting of Nazi symbols in graffiti, etc. is proof of the continued existence of Nazi Germany.
As for the beliefs those symbols actually symbolize: I'm sure that there are almost as many different opinions on that as there are people who display them.
Regards,
The same way Texans can be proud of a flag with a hand drawn cannon and the moto "Come and Take It". Molon Labe, "come and take it", is a classical expression of defiance in the face of overwhelming odds, reportedly spoken by Sparta's King [...] "Remember the Alamo" is another classical expression of defiance [...]
Yes, I must concede that you are correct, and that it is possible to identify (through such symbols) with causes, movements, and nations of the past - including those that were defeated. (Of course, the "Alamo" was an initial defeat, buth the Texans ultimately won their independence.)
The Stars and Bars, the Confederate Battle Flag, and various other Confederate flags all symbolized "States Rights" and a Federalist rather than Centralized government.
Actually, by the conclusion of the war, the C.S.A. was even more centralized than the U.S.A., and J. Davis had even more dictatorial powers than Lincoln.
Regards,
I’m a born & bred Southerner. I live nine miles west of Appomattox. Anyone who might be “sensitive” about the flag had best stay away from the area because one of the first things you’ll see heading down 460 East is a shop selling Confederate merchandise with a big flag out front.
I really couldn’t care less if it bothers someone. To me, the flag is a symbol of the South, nothing more...the region which is this country’s last stronghold on conservatism.
Incidentally, Appomattox is becoming overrun with Muslims. Go to the Kroger or the Walmart and you’ll see them all over the place.
“its territory was occupied for several years afterwards.”
It’s true the CSA was occupied following it’s dwindling efforts to defeat northern aggression. But the “several years” is dead wrong. Starting with Reconstruction, the occupation is still going strong and Southern values about the rights of states as set forth in the constitution are still foremost in the hearts of those born in the South and those who wish they had been.
“The Confederate States of America ceased to exist as a country”
Abe Lincoln claimed that the CSA never was a country.
Lincoln declared it to be nothing more than an insurrection and he called up 75,000 troops to put it down while Congress was out of session.
Just as King George III declared the American colonials to be a rebellion and not a new country.
I’m glad your family enjoys this strong obama economy. Meanwhile the rest of the citizens of the south are struggling to put food on the table.
My g-g-grandfather was Colorbearer for 33rd Mississipppi Regiment, Co. E, Holmesville Guards, killed at the Battle of Franklin. My g-g-grandmother took all of her children from Mississippi to Texas after the Unpleasantness.
I love the Battle Flag, but I fly the DeZavala Flag. From a distance, it looks like the Bonnie Blue, so I get two-in-one, as it were.
It began the mess in government we live under today. In the next century FDR would do far worse in making the federal government an out of control monster.
My state & county dodged the bullet on this recession mainly because of recruiting manufacturing companies over several decades and not doing insane stunts like State Income Tax.
I know real well what it's like to be out of work and unable to find it in a bad recession. In the Fall of 1982 several things happened in my area. The 1982 Worlds Fair was a bust with investors from Memphis to Bristol and people lost their shirts. To local brothers one running an uninsured S&L the other a major FDIC insured bank went under and they went to prison so did others tied to the bank & S&L. The S&L took a lot of fortunes and life savings down with it. At the local Mickey D's the sign didn't advertise the weekly special it said Not Hiring. I took two PT jobs and went back to school on my full GI Bill to make ends meet. One job was for the V.A. for minimum wage mowing grass and digging graves with pick and shovel the other was a year stint as a Week End Warrior.
Family members working in manufacturing today are working overtime right now as much as they want. A nephew took a welding job in Texas making great money and all the O.T. he can handle. There are jobs here. It may not be the one a person wants in their specific profession but it's income.
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