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The Nobel Peace Prize winner's preferred strike sounds HUGE to me, but I just want to be sure.

I STRONGLY think all Benghazi freeps need to read the info at the above source link, as there are many other details regarding what was going on at Bengazi.

1 posted on 05/18/2014 3:50:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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According to wikipedia, we only have 85 B-52s in active service.


2 posted on 05/18/2014 4:03:04 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: gaijin

Back when I was a SAC trained killer we had about 12 to 16 in a wing if my memory is correct. About six on or in the alert area an six or so on the flight line and hangers etc ....Kincheloe AFB back in early 70’s...


3 posted on 05/18/2014 4:15:32 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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In the aftermath of the 21 August attack Obama ordered the Pentagon to draw up targets for bombing. Early in the process, the former intelligence official said, ‘the White House rejected 35 target sets provided by the joint chiefs of staff as being insufficiently “painful” to the Assad regime.’ The original targets included only military sites and nothing by way of civilian infrastructure. Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into ‘a monster strike’: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed. ‘Every day the target list was getting longer,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘The Pentagon planners said we can’t use only Tomahawks to strike at Syria’s missile sites because their warheads are buried too far below ground, so the two B-52 air wings with two-thousand pound bombs were assigned to the mission. Then we’ll need standby search-and-rescue teams to recover downed pilots and drones for target selection. It became huge.’ The new target list was meant to ‘completely eradicate any military capabilities Assad had’, the former intelligence official said. The core targets included electric power grids, oil and gas depots, all known logistic and weapons depots, all known command and control facilities, and all known military and intelligence buildings.


Obama is a blood thirsty evil demon. those in Congress, the police, the courts, the press and the military that protect him are even worse.

7 posted on 05/18/2014 4:34:50 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: gaijin
According to Arc Light about Operation Arc Light in Vietnam,

"The standard strike formation for the Arc Light B-52s was the three-ship 'cell.' The attack could be either by a single cell or multiple cells...Air support kept Khe Sanh alive and eventually broke the siege. On an average day, 350 tactical fighters and 60 B-52s pounded the enemy."

9 posted on 05/18/2014 4:47:47 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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How many planes in a modern USAF "wing"?

Well back in the day a standard size USAF fighter squadron would have about 24 fighter planes. The "peace dividend" at the end of the cold war shrunk them down to 18 fighters. A fighter wing in the day with 2 squadrons would be around 44 to 48 fighters and 3 Sq. wing could have about 72. However, some A-10 wings like at RAF Woodridge/Bentwaters had over 100 assigned. Then came those composite wings and I forgot how many those had. ;^) These days, it's probably 12 and kite. ;-)

Original Syria strike was to include two B-52 wings,

Probably about 2 to 6 and a kite. ;^) Heh.

10 posted on 05/18/2014 4:48:13 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Transcript...
Barry (takes toke): “Yeah, Tomahawks... Oh, and B52s!” Takes another toke. “No... TWO WINGS of B52s dude!”
Aide (takes toke) “No way!”
Barry: “And civilian targets too. That’ll be heavy man. I’ll show them!”

Anyone who knows how stoned teen agers behave knows everything about how the Obama adminstration creates and implements policies.


15 posted on 05/18/2014 5:09:03 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: gaijin

The USAF has only two active wings of B-52s - 2nd Bomber Wing at Barksdale and 5th Bomber Wing at Minot.


16 posted on 05/18/2014 5:10:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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Absolute rubbish...there are 76 B-52s remaining in the USAF inventory, divided between Minot and Barksdale. For argument’s sake, let’s say they allocated four squadrons to the mission, a total of 48 aircraft. And this deployment went undetected?

For starters, there’s the monumental job of getting more than 40 heavy bombers from bases in Louisiana and North Dakota, to installations in western Europe. As I recall, there are only two bases in that part of the world that have handled B-52s during recent contingency operations, RAF Fairford in the UK, and Moron AB in Spain. Yet, we supposedly sent dozens of heavy bombers to those installations and no one noticed.

Then, there’s the critical element of tanker support. The deployment of all those bombers would be accompanied by an even larger contingent of KC-135s and KC-10s, to refuel the B-52s pre and post-strike (as required) and provide tanking support for other aircraft, such as fighter aircraft, ECM platforms, AWACS, Rivet Joint, Compass Call, etc. Never heard anything about a large-scale tanker deployment, or the move of additional ISR, ECM and battle management platforms to the theater. Strike two, Mr. Hersh.

Additionally, if you’re dispatching large numbers of aircraft to overseas bases, you’ll need hundreds, even thousands of support personnel. That means Air Mobility Command (AMC) would have been awfully busy, along with various civilian contract carriers. And once they arrive, they’ve got to have some place to eat, sleep, bathe, etc. Didn’t see a report about tent cities going up at Moron or Fairford, or a sudden influx of airmen who tied up all available hotel rooms for miles around those bases.

Finally, the B-52s primary weapon (these days) is as a stand-off cruise missile platform. Syria has the relatively advanced SA-17 surface-to-air missile and rest assured, the USAF is not going to send B-52s into that type of threat environment. And in a stand-off role, there is only a limited amount of damage the Buffs could inflict against buried and hardened targets. Neutralizing the AD environment would take a level of effort Barry O wasn’t prepared to authorize. The same holds true for the B-52 deployment.

Hersh has been resting on his laurels for years. This claim is laughable and easily disprovable.


18 posted on 05/18/2014 5:23:24 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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A wing is just a composition of two or more squadrons. How many aircraft in a squadron can vary from a few to a few dozen in each squadron.


20 posted on 05/18/2014 5:35:39 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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Seymour Hersh has been trying to find another “My Lai” for the last 40 years. And so far hasn’t found anything new that could be proved true. His last big claim (aka fiasco) had to do with a bogus US special forces used nerve gas in Laos—that was a dozen or so years ago. He is a ‘has been.’


21 posted on 05/18/2014 5:40:11 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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I hope somebody pointed out to Obama that the Russians have supplied their very latest anti-aircraft systems. The Israelis send in their bombs(I forget what they’re called) by launching them 70-100 miles away. They then glide in. That way they don’t trigger the anti-air systems because they’re launching from Lebanese airspace.

I don’t know if they’re still on station but at one point Syrian air defense was directed from Russian ships. To get in you’d probably have to take out the ships which has its own dangers. (But he has more flexibility now...)


22 posted on 05/18/2014 5:46:20 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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If it came from Hersch, it's true.

He often spends months or years nailing down the whole story. And, he knows everybody.

He'll drink whiskey with them 'til they tell the whole truth.

27 posted on 05/18/2014 7:18:32 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: gaijin; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


29 posted on 05/18/2014 7:22:07 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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I notice that none of this was for Iran which is trying to create nuclear weapons which they have promised to kill millions and millions of people.


30 posted on 05/18/2014 7:39:05 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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How many planes in a modern USAF "wing"? Original Syria strike was to include two B-52 wings

WTF?
You can't Win the Future with BS.
Was there ever a recent massive B-52 attack on Syria I missed somehow?

What is this thread talking about?

33 posted on 05/18/2014 8:49:37 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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Just a reminder, folks....
We had A LOT of aircraft in the region at that time, mostly Navy.

Add in the ground-based stuff from Incirlik, Izmir, Akrotiri, Aviano, and Romania.

Buffs/B1’s could launch easily from Diego Garcia, or have we forgotten that??

Times of Israel article from 8/31/2013 describing U.S. Navy movements at the time:

WHO LAUNCHES WHAT

Five US Navy destroyers — the USS Gravely, USS Mahan, USS Barry, the USS Stout and USS Ramage — are in the eastern Mediterranean Sea waiting for the order to launch. And the USS San Antonio, an amphibious assault ship has now joined them. The USS San Antonio, which is carrying helicopters and Marines, has no cruise missiles, so it is not expected to participate in the attack. Instead, the ship’s long-planned transit across the Mediterranean was interrupted so that it could remain in the area to help if needed.

The destroyers are armed with dozens of Tomahawk cruise missiles, which have a range of about 1,000 nautical miles and are used for deep, precise targeting. Each one is about 20 feet long and less than two feet in diameter and carries a 1,000 pound warhead.

The missiles fly at low altitudes, and their range allows the ships to sit far off the coast, out of range of any potential response by the Syrian government. Some ships have cameras that can provide battle damage assessments.

The Navy also now has two aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea that are loaded with fighter jets. The USS Truman arrived in the region to take the place of the USS Nimitz, which was supposed to head home. But the Navy ordered the Nimitz to stay for now.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/how-possible-us-strike-against-syria-could-unfold/#ixzz328FZYSNN


43 posted on 05/18/2014 9:25:39 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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BTTT


50 posted on 05/19/2014 9:43:32 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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