I’m done with flying-—if I can’t drive there, i don’t go there!
Thank goodness all of our kids and grandkids are now living within an easy drive for us.
Sorry I don’t buy that the Co-Pilot would not know what was going on until it was too late unless he was dead before it started.
Strange........
Dec 9, 2013 - A Chinese man reportedly committed suicide in a crowded mall over the weekend after arguing with his girlfriend about her shopping.
March 10, 2014 A Malaysian man reportedly commited suicide in a crowded jet over the weekend after aguing with his wife about her snooping
So why fly a thousand miles before crashing it?
And then we have this from CNN telling us that the plane dropped to 12,000ft as they lobby for mechanical error:
Source: Flight 370’s altitude dropped after sharp turn
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
It wouldn’t be the first time a pilot tried to go too high.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701
The two pilots were exploring the performance limits of the empty CRJ-200 on the ferry flight. The pilots decided to test the limits of the CRJ, and join the “410 Club,” referring to pilots who pushed CRJs to their maximum approved altitude of Flight Level 410 (41,000 feet).
The accident sequence started when the pilots performed several non-standard maneuvers at 15,000 feet, including a pitch-up at 2.3g (23 m/s²) that induced a stall warning. They set the autopilot to climb at 500 ft/min to FL410. This exceeded the manufacturer’s recommended climb rate at altitudes above FL380. In the attempt to reach FL410, the plane was pulled up at over 1.2g, and the angle of attack became excessive to maintain climb rate in the thinner upper atmosphere. After reaching FL410, the plane was cruising at 150 knots (280 km/h), barely above stall speed, and had over-stressed the engines.
The anti-stall devices activated while they were at altitude, but the pilots overrode the automatic nose-down that would increase speed to prevent stall. After four overrides, both engines experienced flameout and shut down. The plane then stalled, and the pilots recovered from the stall at FL380 while still having no engines. At that altitude, there were six airports within reach for a forced landing. This led the pilots to pitch nose down in an attempt to restart the engines, which requires a dive sharp enough to attain the required 300 kt for a windmill restart to make the blades in the turbines windmill at 10% N2 (turbine rotational speed). The captain did not take the necessary steps to ensure that the first officer achieved the 300-knot or greater airspeed required for the windmill engine restart procedure and then did not demonstrate command authority by taking control of the airplane and accelerating it to at least 300 knots.
However, the turbine blades expanded contacting the honeycomb labyrinth seals allowing the metal to scrape on each other when the engine overheated with zero core rotation. When the engine is shutdown at altitude, the core begins to cool and the stator, including the static Interstage Static Seal (ISS), contracts at a faster rate than the adjacent rotating parts in both the radial and axial direction because of its faster thermal time constant. The relative rate of cooling of the stator and rotor results in an alignment of the rotating seal knife-edges aft of the normal operating groove in the static seal. If the clearances are tight enough and the relative cooling rates are right, contact can occur between the static and rotating seal elements. The resulting stiction can temporarily prevent the rotor from turning when only the force of ram air is applied to the core. Air Turbine Starter (ATS) torque has been shown adequate to overcome this restriction (NTSB Accident Information Brief Update for October 29, 2004.) Thus, when the engine cooled, the assembly did not match anymore and the blades could not rotate freely. The crew ended the descent when they had reached 230 kt but neither engine core (N2) ever indicated any rotation during the entire descent. Since they were too high for an APU start, the ram air turbine (known as an “Air Driven Generator” on Bombardier products) was deployed to power the aircraft, and the crew donned oxygen masks as the cabin slowly depressurized due to loss of pressurization air from the engines.
For that you get a bottle of whiskey, a carton of Marlboros and a couple of dancing girls.
Nope, nary a word of discussion around the fact these pilots were MOSLEMS, and apparently no looks into their JIHADI affiliations.
FWIW
I keep coming back to no one has found so much as a seat cushion yet.
The plane has been claimed to have been everywhere but at McDonalds with Elvis.
This last bit of sudden certainty seems an attempt to make it all go away. Its still liable to show up on a runway in Pakistan or something.
If he was taking the whole plane down to make the ex suffer for breaking it off with him— he’d have made it clear to her that’s why he did it. There would have been a note or something.
It doesn’t seem to fit these facts.
This article sounds like sensationalistic B.S.
The bitch made ‘im do it!
“This last bit of sudden certainty seems an attempt to make it all go away. Its still liable to show up on a runway in Pakistan or something.”
No, it’s the result of some mathematical data from INMARSAT that indicates this airplane was flying away and in a southerly direction from its satellite at this time. It’s not 100% but it is hugely indicative. The airplane has not turned up on any military or civilian radar sets to the north, nor any airports that could support it, nor has any wreckage been found in any parts north on dry land. Probability and likelihood say it is not to the north but rather to the south. Nothing to indicate otherwise right now.
“From what I understand in the Muslim culture its a sin to commit suicide, but as long as you do it for Allah and Jihad its all good..”
It’s about personal rationalization. No two people rationalize their circumstance or situation the exact same way. This airplane appears to have been flown competently through it’s final turn south into the Indian Ocean. Be this a pilot or crew member aboard the plane purposely doing this maybe the act of suicide could be rationalized by also taking 200 or so non-believers down with you.
“sets the auto-pilot for the Roaring 40s, takes off his mask and goes to sleep. Hard to prove suicide at those depths.”
Pure conjecture, but the last person in the cockpit (pilot, crew member, hijacker) sets the final course into the deep dark Indian and then downs a bottle of sleeping pills and a jug of vodka. They are killing themselves and in the process making sure the entire airplane goes down too. No one left to steer the airplane to a landing place.
Just a thought. Not an assertion.
The plane and the people on it are gone.
The information on the satellite tracking of the plane, at least explained by some “expert” on Hannity tonight, was highly suspect - apparently the tracking was done from a geosynchronous satellite, with the distance from it to the plane and the plane’s direction being determined by the timing and Doppler of the seven or eight pings picked up by the satellite over the length of the flight - the plot of such tracking should then be a target of rings with the satellite in the center and the distances to the plane represented by the radii of the rings - but the track of the plane which was depicted in the demonstration tonight was that which has been shown in the press for days - a single arc beginning around Malaysia and ending in the middle of the Indian Ocean - this would mean the plane would have had to have flown for five to eight hour at exactly the same distance from the satellite all the way - highly unlikely - there’s also some vague discussion of comparing some sort of patterns of known flights to those picked up with 370, and thus being able to rule out the northern flight path, which of course would have also been possible by continuing the southern arc northward on around the satellite, but it’s not really obvious by what’s public just how those comparisons would work - by this data, it’s not convincing at all that the plane is down in the southern Indian Ocean....
Kind of makes sense when you factor in the “mystery phone call”. Is this what people say the Malaysian government is covering up?
All conjecture.
I think there is something -very- basic about the information we are assuming that is just plain -wrong-. All the communications. All the radar info. All the ADIS data. Everything. Something there is just wrong.
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I agree with this. I also think the pilot was Muslim only in name. His wife wore jeans and had her hair down. Basically secular middle class types typical of the developing world. His politics were also Western.
I don’t buy suicide and they haven’t found anything. The ocean is big but they have covered a lot of ground to not find anything, and some classified satellite systems surely would have picked something up.
“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.”
He was rejected by his wife, and possibly by his mistress (got a call from someone just before the flight). His friend says he didn't seem like himself, and shouldn't have been flying.
His retirement fund may have been heavily invested in Malaysia Airlines stock, which had declined about 90 percent in the past few years (or so I hear). Business Week says:
"...Long before one of its Boeing (BA) jumbo jets vanished into the tropical darkness, Malaysia Airlines was struggling to find its financial footing. The carrier has lost money for more than three years, beset by high costs, a proliferation of unprofitable new flying in its network, and two low-cost rivals at its home airport in Kuala Lumpur..."
According to the same Business Week article, Malaysia Airlines has lost more than 1.2 billion in the last three years. The captain was concerned about the viability of his company (bankruptcy, losing his job, jeopardizing his retirement plans). This alone wasn't enough to make him snap, but it was a contributing factor.
Let's analyze this scenario. He could have taken out the copilot with one blow from the cockpit crash ax, timed for right after the sign-off call to Malaysian ATC.
He turned off course, turned off the emitting ADS-B and transponder, and maybe the ACARS (but didn't get out of his seat to pull the circuit breakers for the SATCOM). He ran up the cabin to 25,000 feet or more manually, and made a PA announcement of a mechanical problem as the oxygen masks deployed automatically at about 14,000 feet cabin altitude. The flight attendants had the passengers stay in their seats, on oxygen. The passengers couldn't leave their seats or they'd pass out almost immediately (if they didn't already as he ran up the cabin altitude). After 20 minutes max, the cabin oxygen generators exhausted, and the last of the passengers passed out and then died. The flight attendants either died with a mask on or used the walkaround bottles to try to survive, but even this was not enough if the cabin was very high, especially if they were exerting themselves by moving around the cabin.
Everyone but the Captain could have been dead or near death by 30 minutes after his initial off-course maneuvering, even without running the cabin up to extremes, above 30,000 feet.
After a few more turns, possibly intending to confuse the ATC primary and military radars, he set the course for the south and eventually passed out himself from too high of a cabin altitude with oxygen, or simply removed his own oxygen and went to sleep. Or maybe he stayed awake for several hours, but I doubt it.
The airplane flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel, then plunged into the ocean.
Game over.
I think they should run this (last part) scenario in the simulator to see what the attitude of the airplane was at impact. The airplane probably descended slowly after the first engine flamed out, maintaining course. It didn't crash until the second engine flamed out, but I think the generators would have dropped off line and the autopilot would have disconnected, even though there might have been windmilling hydraulics that otherwise could have enabled the flight controls. I doubt it impacted in a landing attitude, since the wreckage would have been more intact and there would have been quite a bit of floating debris - and if the airplane had floated for a time the ELT's would have been picked up by satellite. Once they submerged, they soon quit working, and only the ULB is still emitting -- and only for another couple of weeks.
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Business Week: Malaysia Airlines Has Been Missing Profits for Years
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-24/malaysia-airlines-was-in-trouble-long-before-flight-370
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Time of Useful Consciousness (no supplemental oxygen):
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15,000 feet: 30 minutes or more
18,000 feet: 20-30 minutes
22,000 feet: 5-10 minutes
25,000 feet: 3-5 minutes
28,000 feet: 2.5-3 minutes
30,000 feet: 1-3 minutes
35,000 feet: 30-60 seconds
40,000 feet: 15-20 seconds
45,000 feet: 9-15 seconds
http://www.theairlinepilots.com/medical/decompressionandhypoxia.htm
What kind a suicidal person would take everyone else out with them, unless they were a terrorist suicide bomber?
MH370: Families Called to Urgent Meeting; Malaysia Press Conference 10 a.m. EDT 3/24/14
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136667/posts
MALAYSIAN AUTHORITIES: The Plane Crashed With No Survivors
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136697/posts
Malaysia Grand Prix pushes grieving families of jet passengers from hotel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136731/posts
Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane “Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136711/posts
WORLD NEWS Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Ended in Indian Ocean, Prime Minister Says
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136787/posts
How British satellite company Inmarsat tracked down MH370
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136789/posts
Aussie Flight Disaster Film ‘Deep Water’ Shelved Over Eerie Resemblance to Missing Malaysia Flight
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3136793/posts
Malaysia Airlines crash: Suicide mission theory of MH370 investigators
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3136904/posts
Flight 370: Storm of emotions over lives “lost” as storm at sea delays search
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137006/posts
How a UK firm ... used a nineteenth century mathematical model to track missing flight MH370
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3137015/posts
Why locating MH370 in the Southern Ocean is so difficult
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3137062/posts
Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane: What We Know Now
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137157/posts
Tracking down MH370 black boxes a Herculean challenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3137374/posts