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To: Do the math
The "math" for this one is relatively simple and involves nothing more than grasping the difference between squared and cubed quantities.

The strongest human athletes... You should probably start by understanding that muscle tissue for vertebrate animals is pretty nearly all the same, human muscle tissue as good as that of any other an animal... the strongest human athletes are top power lifters who weigh around 350 or thereabouts and a maximal total-body lift (squat or deadlift) for one of those guys is going to fall around 900 - 1000 lbs. No herbivore the same size could lift that much for obvious reasons. The weightlifter's body is mainly muscle while the herbivore's body is mostly gut for digesting low value food. The first herbivore which could do anything with 1000 lbs other than be squashed by it would be an elephant.

But you lose power/weight RATIO as you get bigger no matter what you do, weight being proportional to volume (a cubed figure) and strength proportion to cross section of trunk and limbs, which are squared figures. Double your dimensions, and you cut your power/weight ratio in half.

Mathematically, the point at which top lifters become dysfunctional because of that square/cube problem is around 20,000 lbs and the biggest elephants are around 14,000 - 15,000. That's the present size limit for Earth. That means that there has been a very large increase in gravity on our planet fairly recently, and it means that everything Einstein ever said about gravity is wrong. Gravity is not any sort of a geometry thing, it's an electrostatic dipole effect of some sort.

58 posted on 02/20/2014 9:13:45 PM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Aren’t monkey’s and chimp’s muscles much stronger than humans?

Ed


67 posted on 02/21/2014 12:08:45 AM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: varmintman; Do the math; Kevmo; FredZarguna
varmintman: "Mathematically, the point at which top lifters become dysfunctional because of that square/cube problem is around 20,000 lbs and the biggest elephants are around 14,000 - 15,000.
That's the present size limit for Earth.
That means that there has been a very large increase in gravity on our planet fairly recently, and it means that everything Einstein ever said about gravity is wrong..."

Rubbish, you should be ashamed of yourself.

The largest Sauropods are estimated upwards of 100 tons.
Recent models show that physical limitations on their size was neither bone nor muscle strength, but joints.

According to this site:

And while we're at it, this big-fellow (Indricotherium, compared to an African elephant) weighed in around 20 tons, some 25 million years ago:

And this big-fellow (Songhua River Mammoth compared to African elephant) also grew nearly 20 tons, as recently as 10,000 years ago:

69 posted on 02/21/2014 3:59:08 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: varmintman

The “math” for this one is relatively simple and involves nothing more than grasping the difference between squared and cubed quantities.
***You’re talking about maybe 1 or 2 orders of magnitude difference. The “math” for this one is that the OBSERVED effect is 20 Orders of Magnitude off. That’s like saying a normal mosquito can knock over an elephant at normal speeds 95% of the time with kinetic energy. Heck, it’s like saying that Mosquito can knock the earth off its axis 95% of the time. That’s how far off the “math” is on this one.


80 posted on 02/21/2014 1:46:54 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: varmintman

Whales are larger than elephants but water density may help mitigate against gravitational issues. Some early dinosaurs may have been exclusively water creatures.


240 posted on 02/27/2014 1:32:52 AM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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