Posted on 02/18/2014 7:09:02 AM PST by metmom
Catholics are divided on issues such as divorce and birth control amid widespread resentment at Church teachings among believers, two separate surveys have revealed.
In a rare bid for openness, the Vatican sent out a survey to parishes around the world in November, ahead of a synod due to discuss the family this October.
Results from several countries have now been released, showing that, in Switzerland, 90 per cent of respondents demanded the Church lifts its refusal to give communion to divorcees who remarry.
Results are also in from Germany, where bishops said the survey showed that Catholics view the communion ban for divorcees as "unjustified discrimination and ... merciless". German respondents also rejected Church bans on premarital and gay sex and birth control.
Church-backed news service SIR reported that Swiss respondents were in "dramatic disagreement" with the Church's ban on contraception, while the Catholic Church in Luxembourg warned results from the survey were "alarming" and showed the importance given to church teaching was in "free fall".
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Good morning metmom. When we all face CHRIST, HE will know those who truly belong to HIM and those that belong to something else.
Your last sentence is the GOLDEN RULE that we should all live by. GOD bless you for putting the absolute truth into one sentence.
You’re capitalizing again.
PNSN: Why do you believe that? Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity, so those leaving deception has no idea of Truth and what constituents Christianity as they are totally opposite of each other. I could see them not wanting anything to do with 'religion' which is a good thing. If they seek Truth, they will find it.
Watching family members on my wife's side. I've seen several stop going to their RCC and instead of seeking a Bible based church, reading the Bible for themselves, or talking with a Born Again Christian they just laugh at the idiocy of Christians. They equate what goes on in a RCC as being Christian and as a result don't seek the Truth.
We've also had other family members come to know Jesus Christ as their Savior, but most don't.
I know this is allegorical, but I do believe I've seen threads with stats showing that the majority of RC's that leave their RCC never pursue fellowship with Christians.
If you need a church to have a personal relationship with God, you do not know God or the Bible. Only Jesus will remove you.
The result of deception is long lasting. Lots of renewing the mind must take place. I never miss a chance to tell a catholic they aren't Christian. Their popes lie continually about this. Catholicism and Christianity are so far apart there is NOTHING that ties them together. You never hear a Christian referring to themselves as Catholic but Catholics believe they are Christian. (Deception knows no bounds.) They desperately want/need/seek for 'some creditability so they rename themselves. The counterfeit church's 'subjects' seek to rename themselves and 'think' they are apart of Christianity....how pathetic they believe such and how demonic of the Vatican to teach them that but that's what they are about.
I know this is allegorical, but I do believe I've seen threads with stats showing that the majority of RC's that leave their RCC never pursue fellowship with Christians.
And we know from personal experience it is true. They allowed 'the CC poison' to remain in them. I tell them you are merely giving in again to the RCC which wasn't about TRUTH but a lie, the result is the same. They don't like that because they want to know they 'won'. I knew of a woman who left the CC but continued to go to it at times. I told her she's being a hypocrite and your 'fear of man' is greater than 'your love of Jesus'. Approx 5 years later she saw how deep the CC bondage went and knew she ignored advice from her Christian friends. Her hardheadedness she finally admitted to. While she's seeks to help her catholic friends away from the bondage of catholicism, she has a baby**s way of doing it. I told her if you see a train coming, would you tell them to just STOP or tell them to STOP and LOOK. Stopping will have the same result but the looking makes them see what they have hid from. Possibly too painful. Some choose to stay in 'victim' status and we know that is a 'catholic' trait.
I tell them they only win with being filled with the Spirit/having a personal relationship with God. All 'man made teachings' are a destroyer to one's spiritually as it was meant to be. They would be surprised how many former catholics are in a non denominational bible based church.
The last time I looked, not bearing false witness against your neighbor is one of the Ten Commandments, and that includes spreading lies about other people and groups. This post of yours is doing that in spades. The idea that Catholics are not Christians is just preposterous. Having once been a Presbyterian, all I can say is you don’t know what you’re talking about. I became Catholic because it is the only Church to explain all of the difficult Bible passages in a logical, coherent, consistent manner, and with Jesus at the Center. In addition, the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus started. What do you think Matthew 16:17-19 is all about? Read the Bible, then read history, including the persecution of the Church during the first 3 centuries. Then, just for good measure, read the Catechism, which is filled with Biblical Truths.
I don’t think one can have a more personal relationship with Jesus than to receive Him body, blood, soul, and divinity in Holy Communion. It doesn’t get more personal than that!
I’ll say a Rosary for you this evening, and pray your head doesn’t explode when you read this.
What does that have to do with your statement...The faithful are not divided? OR my question...'who you consider the faithful'?
Only Jesus will remove you.
Jesus doesn't go against anyone's free will which is God-given to begin with.
Well then you fail. Look, again, starting from the 1st commandment. WHY did you jump over IDOLATRY which catholicsm wallows in? Do you get a gold star for DEFENDING Idolatry? for ENABLING perverts who prey on children for well over 50 years - the collection plate is 'protection money' for these perverts. Catholics have dirty hands with supporting the CC as they protected sexual perversion which KILLS the spirit of every young child it has violated. So take the bony finger you are all puffed up about with your 'the last time I looked'.....and stick in the face of 'your men in black dresses' who lead the clueless over the cliff.
and that includes spreading lies about other people and groups. This post of yours is doing that in spades.
In spades? - wait, I only just begun. Look to your church hierarchy - right from the top - on down on those spreading LIES about whatever they need to 'cover' their deception. Catholics embrace lies and spread them daily along with supporting sexual perversion - they are ALL accomplices to it and just as responsible.
The idea that Catholics are not Christians is just preposterous.
For those who choose to embrace deception, I'm sure it seems preposterous.
Having once been a Presbyterian, all I can say is you don’t know what you’re talking about. I became Catholic because it
EVERYONE has a story. I KNOW what I'm talking about as I was 'born into it'. So save your story - no one cares how a 'catholic' fell into the pit.
Save 'your experience', also, for someone else's eyes that is NOT blinded to the 'counterfeit' church. It doesn't work on me nor the many others that left satan and it's pawns in the dust.
I became Catholic because it is the only Church to explain all of the difficult Bible passages in a logical, coherent, consistent manner,
Oh, so what is spiritual/supernatural can be explained by logic. Who told you that? Or did you just assume it? How shameful for a 'denomination jumper' overlook 1 Cor 2:14 "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit .
And UNLESS, one is born again, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. How difficult is that for you to understand? Did you leave that up to 'your' church to explain that to you, also? Did they tell you why you can't understand/believe? God did and you rejected it - you turned to 'man/evil' instead.
Read the Bible, then read history, including the persecution of the Church during the first 3 centuries. Then, just for good measure, read the Catechism, which is filled with Biblical Truths.
You are late to the party, the CC's history with their smut ridden popes and 'it's history' has been presented here for years. Catholics have blinders on....so don't tell a Christian to read the bible and then 'check out a worldly perverted organization' that is straight from the pit - they don't belong in the same sentence.
The vatican's history should be enough for you to see how 'their history' dates back to Genesis - where evil perverted God's Word to deceive. So you don't get puffed up - mormonism, JW and all man made teachings dates back to it, also. Satan is at the root of them all. You all have the 'same father' - all one family.
In addition, the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus started. What do you think Matthew 16:17-19 is all about?
In addition, catholics are nothing more than garbage dumps. The Vatican pours in their lies/deception and catholics pours it back out. Garbage in, garbage out. That is what makes them 'good catholics'.
Then, just for good measure, read the Catechism, which is filled with Biblical Truths.
Then, just for good measure, here's what I think of 'man's words/their bible/cathechism....I made some chocolate chip cookies for catholics and the chips are dog poop, go ahead and eat it, it won't harm you. Promoting cr*p, they deserve more of it.
I don’t think one can have a more personal relationship with Jesus than to receive Him body, blood, soul, and divinity in Holy Communion. It doesn’t get more personal than that!
There you go, 'thinking catholic'. Think on this, your 'I'm all your's Mary, leader,' is burning in hell for he died without a Savior. Catholics belong to Mary (man), Christians belong to Jesus (God)....and that is what the CC's their long history of idolatry brings them for eternity and that you embrace. And that wasn't enough, the vatican dug him up to HONOR a 'man' who had no Savior.
I’ll say a Rosary for you this evening, and pray your head doesn’t explode when you read this.
Feel all 'religious and smug' typing that? That's the way catholics sign off, it's the 'catholic' SOP. Their time would be better spent on their knees scrubbing a floor - than being in their 'idolatry' mode which digs themselves deeper in the hole while demons do their happy dance while someone repeats vain repetitious words that go no where.
pray your head doesn’t explode when you read this.
Why would you think that? You think you said something powerful of something? You are merely a 'denomination jumper' who is easily deceived and by your post just a mere pup in catholicism....and still 'in training'. Light weight sums it up but puffed up, nonetheless.
It’s all for YOU as I KNOW how MUCH YOU LIKE IT.
Be thankful even though the catholic SOP is being critical when TRUTH is SPOKEN as their daggers point to ‘the messenger’ as they can’t HANDLE the MESSAGE. It’s when ‘catholics’ are under the ‘Vatican kill ‘LUTHER’ spirit. Nothing new under the sun for catholicism...as they hand down ‘their traditions’.
You sure enjoy your crazy talk.
First of all, JESUS is THE WORD and why aren't you focusing ONLY on JESUS? What's your attraction to 'man's' words and encouraging others into what is NOT of GOD and using GOD'S Word to commit such an act?
Now, once again and again and again, the vatican/RCC has NOTHING to do with the CHURCH of JESUS! When you start out wrong...EXPECT to end up wrong.
The CHURCH of JESUS is based on HIS WORD alone and NOT on man/evil words. Why are catholics so low minded to think The ALMIGHTY GOD would reduced Himself to 'man's/evil words'. YOU KNOW JESUS IS THE WORD - why so hell bent to IGNORE HIM/THE WORD in favor of 'man's word'?
God IS SPIRIT and HIS WORD is inspired by HIS OWN SPIRIT as those who are HIS CHURCH/His Body...are Spirit filled. For no one who is not born again shall enter the Kingdom of God. It's not rocket science but catholics fail to get the most simplest of things. But so do 'all man made teaching' believers.
Evil did a 'job' on them and it takes them right over the cliff. But that is what deception does - blind those who are easy prey. The puffed up 'religious' cannot accept TRUTH because of their pride. Pride was satan's downfall and it is the downfall of those he deceives as he continues to rebel against God but he couldn't unless he had willing accomplices to do the same - and thru catholicsm, mormonism JW, Islam's and all man made teachings/religions history - he had all his accomplices and they handed it to the next.
Now catholics and all 'man made teaching' believers got themselves caught up in a deceptive web and the the more they 'speak up for what is deception' - the more entangled in the web they get. They are their own worst enemy and are their own downfall for eternity.
There is nothing more tragic than seeing a good person in the natural doing evil's work against God and the good person is unaware of what he is doing because deception teaching has them spiritually blind and it left them spiritually deaf to - because they REFUSE to 'hear Truth' - and when they read it - they don't recognize IT. They developed a rebellious spirit - all by believing 'man' instead of GOD. All on their own accord/free will.
If they were in the Garden of Eve with Adam, Eve and satan - they would be encouraging Adam Eve to 'listen and eat the fruit for did God really say? As it's the same as saying now that 'man made teachings' with 'it's church' is God's. That is where catholicsm, mormonism, JW and all man made teaching 'religions' has it's roots - right from the pit.
Jesus NEVER started a 'religion'/denomination - HE died to bring mankind to FELLOWSHIP with The Father and since it was the sin nature that separated us from God, HE died for our sins/took the penalty of sin for us....so we were free to go to GOD in FELLOWSHIP because of JESUS....something that 'religion/man' CANNOT DO, ALL it can do is DECEIVE one to lead them away from JESUS THE WORD with their 'own words'. So don't ever repeat again - how any 'man made teaching' and 'their churches' is from GOD. Bite your tongue or cut the fingers that want to type it instead....until you are awake and aware of what you are doing and then you will fall to repentance.
"The person WITHOUT the Spirit does NOT accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
I don’t bother reading text with frivolous exclamation points and gratuitous capitalization. Only narcissistic idiots feel the need to use it.
-— First of all, JESUS is THE WORD and why aren’t you focusing ONLY on JESUS -—
Like I said, Jesus commands us to listen to His Church. Its in your Bible.
You sure have a lot of venom for someone who is supposed to be Christian. Someone must have really hurt you a long time ago for you to carry your spirit of unforgiveness to such a huge degree.
***catholics are nothing more than garbage dumps***
You deserve to have the abuse button mashed on you for “making it personal”, but I won’t because I think you are too far gone to even realize what you say.
Someone must have really hurt you a long time ago for you to carry your spirit of unforgiveness to such a huge degree.
HURT ME? Forgive what? You need to switch to reality and stop mind reading because that is one clueless statement. When you have your rude awakening - once you allow yourself to ACCEPT TRUTH - you will see just how idiotic that statement was. Now be a good catholic - and swallow all the crapola the CC dishes. And that's what makes them garbage dumps. Garbage in, barbage out.
Anyone believing 'man'/catechism over God's Word is less than garbage in my eyes.....for they uplift satan as he is against GOD's WORD and has been since the beginning. So catholics are the ones with VENOM - and there is no doubt about it. Catholics take their pope/leaders as 'angels in light' as satan masks himself behind them and catholics are NONE the wiser and REFUSE correction.
Why are you talking so mean and ugly to me? I haven’t done anything to you. I haven’t been rude to you or said ugly things to you, but you persist in being rude, ugly, and mean to me. You are, indeed, making it personal. You might try to remember the words of Our Savior: “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” Matthew 7:12, otherwise known as the Golden Rule.
He already knows the justified.
Why are you being so mean to yourself? By REFUSING to accept TRUTH - and by ‘playing victim’ with nonsense talk. Stick with the TOPIC and stop being ‘so offended’ by TRUTH - for that is liberalism 101.
What is more uglier than believing man/catechism than BELIEVING GOD’s WORD ALONE? Choose one as you can’t serve two masters. Catholics obviously can’t retain in their mind...who died for them.
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