Posted on 12/23/2013 2:00:22 PM PST by BerserkPatriot
Given that guns are like any other tool, you need various types of guns to do different functions. One of these would have to be bolt action for long range shooting – hunting etc. I’ve seen many a vanity on sport utility rifles, concealed carry and home defense but don’t recall one this type of shooting situation. Mostly looking at the Remington model 700 series – specifically the SPS tactical family for various reasons. This family of model 700s has a 20” barrel and threaded muzzle. The budget is in the $700 range and I’m looking to get something in a fairly common chambering - .308 mostly. I’m seeing that model as a middle of the road type – hopefully accurate enough to do the job, but not so expensive to break the bank.
Any general recommendations on the subject?
Recommendations on that specific model and chambering?
Is it up to the task?
Thoughts on optics.
He said > 300 Yards. I think he’s really looking for medium range that may reach out to 1000 meters.
In some ways I would prefer a synthetic stock since they less like to swell and change dimensions – and I perceive that they are a bit cheaper.
I’d rather put money into optics or accuracy that looks.
Where the excrement to aerially intercept the rotary air distribution device, esthetic visual considerations will be of little value.
Ah the good old days. Things may be getting worse. Friday, I went in to buy a S & W 38 Special revolver because my wife has finger strength problems chambering rounds. I’ve had Secret and Q clearances and nary a spot on my record. My background check was put on hold. Maybe nothing but bureaucratic SNAFU, but who knows?
May I ask what state you reside in?
Most people opt for either the Remington 700 or the Winchester model 70 in .30-’06. High value for the dollar. You wouldn’t go wrong either way.
For some targets, I've used one of these, but I don't think they sell them.
“A few years a go my cousin bought a new rifle to hunt Elk, I have no idea what caliber it was, when he went to zero the scope, no ammo available anywhere in the area. after several phone calls he found two boxes 600 miles away, not enough time to have it shipped, fortunately that was only about 100 miles from where he was going to hunt. He didn’t tell me about it, my friend who he went hunting with told me.”
This is why learning to reload is a good idea. Even a simple single stage set-up would prevent this sort of situation.
I bought a Remington SPS stainless in 300 Win short mag, and it is an excellent rifle. My oldest son has it now, and he has used it for dear and elk. I eventually went with a 325 short mag in a stainless Browning X-bolt. It’s an excellent shooter too.
The 308 is a great round for dear. I personally don’t shoot at game beyond the 400 yd mark, because my knee is too bad to go chasing wounded animals. If you want to hunt long range, do some research on bullet selection and loads that will work well for you. You might look into some of the long range shooting sites, and varmint hunting sites.
Kansas
Theoretically, I’d like to be able to ‘reach out and touch someone’ as far away as possible, but I realize there are practical considerations to be made – budget being one.
I also need to consider the tactical situation I may be in – there may not be more than a 500 yard field of fire for example.
A Barrett .50 BMG would be sweet, but the budget (ahem) won’t support that.
I heard of that issue, but considering the numbers produced and sold, it should have been resolved by now.
Just had to sell my Carl Gustave 1916. (I’m still drying tears.)
At 300 yards, you could ream the bung of a flea. And that was the norm for most Swedish Mausers. (I used to buy them dirt cheap from Woolworths back in the ‘60s, and I only ran into one or two that didn’t shoot well. But that was because some one had fired berdan primed [mercury] rounds through them and then didn’t get religious with the cleaning rod.)
I really do love the weapon and the round.
6.5x55 Swede is a good universal round, and there is still PLENTY of on the shelf, reasonably priced ammo for it. If you load your own, you can find your individual weapon’s sweet spot, letting you reach out and touch someone at an even greater distance.
Great weapon, great price, great round, and most barrels were threaded for a flash suppressor. (Silencers are not too legal, so I wouldn’t recommend attaching one to one of those wonderful barrels, even though you could.)
But this is just my OPINION, (based on a lot rounds fired on the range and in the field.) so don’t let my bias sway you.
This thread is going to garner about a gazillion posts.
I hope things turn out well for you!
I’m about to buy my 17 year-old a Remington Model 700 in .30-06 with an artificial stock as a good, sturdy all-around gun for a 6 foot tall teenager. That said, I’m a huge fan of the Winchester Model 70, either pre-64 or post-80s, primarily for the reliability of the mauser-type bolt and claw extractor in high pressure situations, especially when you are left handed like me. My oldest son, 22 and also left-handed, uses this design almost exclusively in multiple calibers. The reason is that many of even the biggest name manufacturers cut costs by putting a RH spring plate (I think that’s the name) into LH actions. The result is that the next bullet, as it moves up into the chamber and the bolt is closed essentially spins in opposite direction — and that can lead to jamming. In Africa, my LH Weatherby 7mm jammed twice (on a waterbuck and a kudu) on the second shot. I threw it away. By comparison, my Win Model 70 .375 H&H worked perfectly with leopard, kudu and other big game. And the Winchester custom shop, after trying to build me a safari grade .416 Rigby, gave up and built me what is probably the world’s only LH Safari Grade Model 70 .416 Rem-mag. In a very dangerous situation with a cape buffalo, the action worked the gears on a bank vault for that all-important second shot. So, that’s a big of advice for all you southpaws out there: check that bottom plate. Meanwhile, I’m waiting for the new Winchester to get back into the LH rifle business.
Another vote for .243, which is a necked down .308 / 7.62NATO. Unless you are hunting elk. Or even if you are hunting elk. And for bipeds in the 200# range, it’s perfect.
.243 with a long projectile 90-110 gr gets the same ballistic coefficient advantage.
Remington took an $80 million bribe to stay in New York.
Oh they will or I may go ballistic. Kidding:>)
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