Posted on 11/06/2013 12:31:49 PM PST by bigtoona
I know this will get a lot of replies but go for it. I just want to get some opinions on the different rifles out there to help me decide.
I grew up in PA until I was 11 so I never got to actually hunt with my brother and dad so I'm not super educated about all of the rifles out there.
I have pistols, shotguns and a couple of .22 rifles but now I would like to get a decent rifle for deer in case I get an opportunity to go hunting with a friend. Nothing too fancy or massively powerful, just good quality and dependable. Thanks all!
It is a a revolver shotgun AND rifle. shoots both .45 cal pistol bullets and 410 shotgun shells (which are so darn cute!)
Plus, when the zombie apocalypse comes it can be 'modified' down to a pistol size, if you catch my drift- (but DONT DO THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL! ONLY IN THE EVENT OF ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE)
lets talk in terms of ammo- what is currently NOT in short supply and expensive?
I have a (possibly) unfired Savage 99 takedown model from 1939 in .300 Savage. I keep my eyes out for an 81. The Model 8 (straight stock) is cool, but it only came in .30 Remington, .32 Remington, and .35 Remington. Only the .35 is still available as a commercial loading.
I’ve seen a couple Model 8’s in the long magazine “cop” package like Frank Hamer used on Bonnie and Clyde over the years, but they’re out of my price range.
I like my Browning .270, but I know others will suggest .30-06.
A 30.06 sighted 3” high at 100 yds shoots “point blank” to about 325 yds, meaning it will be within +/- 5” of point of aim anywhere along the flight path for that far. Beyond that you will need to hold some higher. That 10” circle is “minute of elk” because that will be in the vitals of a deer or elks chest.
The 30.06 just plain hits way harder than a 30-30 out past 100-150 yds.
I just saw a savage .308 with a medium size barrel and a green stock. Looks nice, has the accu-trigger. Savage rifles are accurate. My two cents.
Okay, now that I have a few minutes to respond, I will do so:
A. Your claim on “hang firers, deaths and major injury’s of any weapon made in America” is baseless poppycock. The only claim made in that regards is by some ambulance chasing lawyers and 60 minutes (neither group known for their veracity). They never provided proof and their claims were soundly debunked.
B. A 10% failure rate? Prove it. You made the claim. Provide evidence.
C. The Winchester Model 70 is being brought back into the Corps and/or Army? Please find a procurement request and I will believe it. (Procurement requests are public documents and abound on the Net) By the way, I just spoke 2 weeks ago with the man who runs an Army sniping school and no mention of that from him....hmmmm. You sure about that?
D. I know many gunsmiths, like myself, who make a living at it, who know that the trigger malfunctions on Remington rifles is caused by 2 things: Dumbasses who let crap lacquer up in their triggers (Wd-40, etc.) and dumbasses who mess with their triggers when they do not know what the hell they are doing. Period. That discussion is so settled that only drunk obnoxious know-it-alls online believe otherwise.
E. I do not work on the guns of obnoxious assholes, so don’t worry about me sullying that pristine Stevens you have.
I had to look that up. Now I need one...
The .44 Mag in a rifle is a pussycat. Much less recoil than a shotgun. Point it, hold on to it, no problems.
Both my Winchester and Marlin 30-30s have provision for scope mounting. The Henry is not unique in this respect.
My .44 mag is a S/W revolver with a 4 inch barrel. Never heard of a .44 mag rifle.
As it turns out my 30-30 does have that tube running down the barrel. There’s a little lever that moves and allows the tube to slide but I can’t tell if the bullets are loaded from the top or what. The bottom of the trigger area apparently isn’t for magazines. I’ll bring it somewhere and have them show me what’s what. I don’t want to try and load it without knowing everything.
The Make (Rem, Savage, etc) and model number has to be stamped on the barrel or receiver somewhere.
T_S or a number of others could tell you a good deal about it if you provide that much info.
I was sold on the 870 many years ago when Soldier of Fortune held a shoot out by some, uh, contestants. Nearly every one had an 870. I figured they knew more about a shotgun in every condition that I would ever know.
The first Marlin lever gun came out in 1881, the first flat topped Marlin was made in 1889. The gun we know today was originally the model 94 marlin and was introduced in 1893 and later became known as the model 1936, shortened to 36 and today it's called the 336. Same basic design, same accuracy and same flat topped receiver suitable for mounting scopes.
As for the names, Winchester kept the model 94 designation, except for a few variations, and Marlin dropped the model 94 name after a bit. Which is one reason why when someone says model 94 you know they mean Winchester .30-30. My brother owned one in .32 special caliber, which was more or less the same as the .30-30 ballistic wise. Winchester also had name recognition on their side due to the fact they were making rifles before Marlin started up.
As for who made the first lever gun, Winchester or Marlin, that would be Winchester, or to be exact B. Tyler Henry with the Henry repeater which quickly morphed into the 1866 model Winchester after Oliver Winchester acquired the factory. However, Marlin brought out their version of the 94 in .30-30(and various other calibers including .38-55)before the venerable Model 94, albeit only about a year sooner.
The 12 gauge shotguns I mentioned earlier are both over/under, are Browning and made in Belgium. Nice guns. I remember my dad telling me the barrels are slightly different sizes but I don't remember the reasons for the size difference.
PS Marlin still makes the model 1894, they brought it out again about 1979 or so. Today it is one of the most popular models for cowboy action shooting.
If you’re going to hunt something other than hogs or coyotes with your AR, you’ll probably want to go with a 6.5mm Grendel or 6.8mm Rem. SPC upper.
Unless he was referring to the length of the barrels he probably was talking about choke of the amount of constriction the end of the barrel has, which effects the development of the shot pattern.
There should be markings on the left side of the barrels near the breech visible when you open the gun.
* = full choke (tightest)
*- = improved modified
** = modified
**- = improved cylinder
*** = cylinder (most open, no constriction)
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