Posted on 11/02/2013 10:06:47 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
So if someone theoretically has an 80% lower(for personal ownership/use only) and could find a machinist to finish the 20%, is the machinist or owner of the lower in violation of any federal goobermint laws?
If not, is there a place to find and print chapter and verse as proof of this?
If the the theoretical owner were to press the "start" button on a programmed CNC machine, would the theoretical owner then be considered the maker/manufacturer?
The arsonists of the BATFE thank you for the lead.
I *think* that if you make it yourself and do not transport across State lines or transfer it to someone else, it’s fine. I’m sure another Freeper can confirm/deny this.
Pretty sure you need to do the work yourself.
The theoritcal owner has no drill press and already theoretically ruined one lower
and theoretically chose not to buy all the tools to theoretically attempt again.
I have an 80% lower and as I understand it, once the piece is milled it must be registered and if not registered at at that point, then you might have legal issues. Of course I’d like to learn more about it myself.
Theoretically then a drill press would be a good investment. Look for a 75-year old American one from a garage sale and skip the modern Chinese crap. Theoretically.
I theoretically did not click on this post.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=418576
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=187265
http://www.80percentarms.com/pages/faq
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0218/5770/files/ATF_Letter_Public_Release.pdf?125
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html
Should get you in the right direction. Para C. Line 1. should apply per the atf site as you have a forging.
Registered?
nothing I own is “registered”, nor is it required to be.
State by State situation.
Excerpt: C.F.R. § 478.39 states:
Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.
The best bet would be to find someone to ‘loan’ the theoretical owner the tools to do it. Or the use of their tools. The work HAS to be done by the owner. Otherwise the theoretical owner is kind of theoretically f——d. You can’t pay to have it completed by someone else unless they are a licensed firearms manufacturer. Theoretically.
Thanks!
The law states that you must do the work yourself. A few years ago a company that makes 80% frames for 1911s out in Montana or Idaho had a gathering where you could bring your unfinished receiver and put it on their machines to finish them. The ATF didn’t like it, but there was nothing they could do. I believe that technically, if you put the receiver in the machine and clamp it down and hit the start button, then you are finishing the receiver. The programming is no more than coaching.
Any citizen not prohibited from owning a firearm may manufacture as many as he want for his own use and DOES NOT have to register them.
Where could a person find a detailed ,full size schematic /blueprint?
Theoretically, if you can’t prove something happened then it didn’t happen. If there are no witnesses or paper trail then it would be very difficult to prove who’s hand was on the drill press.
ATF&E should be a convenience store.
“nothing I own is “registered”, nor is it required to be.”
Only a tiny number of states require registration. I think the number is about five.
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