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Goodbye Windows 8, hello Windows 8.1
ZDNet ^ | 07/30/2013 | Mary Branscombe

Posted on 07/30/2013 11:15:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Consider the following: Internet Explorer 11 is available as a preview for Windows 7 or as part of the Windows 8.1 preview, but not for Windows 8. Similarly, PowerShell 4 will run on Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, but not Windows 8 — even though it will be available for Windows Server 2012, which is the same core code as Windows 8.

So does this mean Microsoft giving up on Windows 8? Um, no.

Windows 8.1 is Windows 8, as far as Microsoft is concerned. It's an update to Windows 8 that will be available in the Windows Store, free of charge. It has new APIs that aren't in Windows 8 that Internet Explorer can use.

Microsoft will port some — but not all — of those back to Windows 7 for IE 11; as we understand it, the HTML5 Media Source Extensions and Encrypted Media Extensions support that lets you stream Netflix in IE 11 without needing a plugin won't make it to Windows 7.

It has new versions of the controls developers built apps with too; the new alarms and timer app in Windows 8.1 uses the Windows 8.1 version of a control that's three times faster than the Windows 8 control on a low-end PC. "We could have done a lot of profiling of data, a lot of tweaking — or we could just upgrade to the version 8.1 control," program manager Steven Abrams said at the Build conference.

Couldn't Microsoft just port those APIs and controls to Windows 8 as well? Well, it already has — that's Windows 8.1.

Microsoft is betting that if you're prepared to install a new version of the browser and the updates to make it work, you'll be willing to do that as part of an update that also gives you the Start button so many people have been asking for and a bunch of new features.

Microsoft is also trying to put out a 'new version' of Windows in a year, rather than three, with a new version of the browser in a year rather than 18 months (which is how long it took to get from IE 9 to IE 10) — and as part of a continuous development schedule that put the usual SP1 contents into Windows 8 before it went on sale and has given us 700 improvements to Windows 8 since then.

Given that there are only so many hours in the day and only so many engineers on the team, it makes sense that Microsoft has decided to prioritise resources for Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 and create, test and support two versions of the IE 11 preview rather than three.

Keeping up with a continuous development cadence is going to require Microsoft to make a lot of rational decisions that don't make everyone feel warm and fuzzy. Similarly, when IE 12 comes along, I expect it to only run on Windows 7 and Windows 8.2.

You can also expect to see a significant push to get you to upgrade to Windows 8.1. The way Microsoft is trying to make that acceptable to end users and businesses alike is by making upgrading easier and promising compatibility. "Upgrading to Windows 8.1 is simple as the update does not introduce any new hardware requirements and all existing Windows Store apps are compatible," says Erwin Visser, the Windows general manager who handles the business side of the market.

That means that all Windows 8 devices will run Windows 8.1, that all Windows 8 Windows Store apps will run on Windows 8.1 (something they're working on but that isn't true in the preview), that drivers and desktop applications will work in the same way. And that upgrading to Windows 8.1 won't mean wiping systems and installing a corporate image and reloading your applications and data. Visser calls upgrading to Windows 8.1 much more like running updates or installing a service pack. And if you were planning on switching to Windows 8, just plan to switch to 8.1 instead.

To use the car metaphor that's so popular, in a year, the Windows team isn't rebuilding the car or even fitting a new engine; it's changing the tyres, swapping out the instruments on the dashboards, fitting a new car radio and tuning the engine control software.

It's worth noting that it's different for servers. A server upgrade is a major task and Microsoft doesn't expect anyone to upgrade their servers every year; the best they can hope for is that any new servers you put in place will run the latest version of Windows Server. Also, Windows Server 2012 R2 is a major upgrade from Server 2012, with a significant number of new features — it's a much more impressive and compelling update than Windows 8.1, ironically. Windows Server 2012 systems will be around for a long time so they need PowerShell 4 and its major management improvements like Desired State Configuration.

Microsoft hopes that Windows 8 won't be around for long after Windows 8.1 comes out. It hopes everyone using Windows 8 will upgrade, just as it hopes we're all using automatic updates to keep our PCs up to date. After all, we're telling Microsoft to keep up with Apple and Android; surely we want the new, improved stuff, especially as it's free with better features — why wouldn't you want that, thinks Microsoft. And if it can just get us to keep updating our PCs year after year, it will never have to deal with a decade of XP again.

With that combination of incentive and what we're telling Microsoft we want, why would it make sense for it to give us any reason to stay on Windows 8 when we've been so vocal about telling Microsoft to change it?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: microsoft; miserablefailure; msn; windows; windows8; windows81
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To: KC Burke

The Window is closing on Windows.


41 posted on 07/30/2013 12:14:34 PM PDT by shineon
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To: varmintman

I just bought a MicroCenter “Power Spec” Core i5 computer. Win7 Pro 64 installed ... came with a Win8 disk. The license is apparently for Win8, Win7 is a “downgrade”. If 8.x turns out to be any good, I’ll install it.


42 posted on 07/30/2013 12:14:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mikrofon
Windows 7 == Star Trek 2009

Windows 8 == Star Trek Into Darkness

Apple OS == Star Wars

43 posted on 07/30/2013 12:15:11 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: discostu

I think Windows 7 is great. I just think people like it so much they aren’t ready or motivated to upgrade yet. I will at some point, just not yet. People are waiting also because they have ipads and android tablets, but at some point they’ll upgrade. 8.1 sounds pretty decent. I like the idea of a lightweight touch laptop or hybrid with a full robust OS behind it.


44 posted on 07/30/2013 12:16:52 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Revelation 911

So you’re saying all OSes that matter are now owned by JJ Abrams?


45 posted on 07/30/2013 12:17:06 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: Revolting cat!
I want to be able to open up another window and kill that connection and nothing more. Instead, Windows freezes my entire hardware/software system.

That sounds more like a browser issue then an OS issue.

I would start with some basic maintenance, if that doesn't do it, I would look at your start up programs and possible TSR conflicts.

TSR's are notorious for lock ups!

46 posted on 07/30/2013 12:17:14 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: Obadiah
I really question Microsoft’s ongoing reason for existing.

The NSA could probably answer that question.

47 posted on 07/30/2013 12:17:51 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: KC Burke
It is a locking-up bogged down, POS that can’t load its upgrades

likewise i worked on my MIL's unit this past week - she was upgrading from dial up to DSL....she has a reasonably fast machine - but after 3 hrs of refusing upgrades, I ripped the DSL out and told her to send it back

We bought her an Ipad today with highspeed internet from Roadrunner - she's in love

48 posted on 07/30/2013 12:18:19 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
How often do you do disk clean up and clear history, defrags etc.?

LOL! I never do those things.

49 posted on 07/30/2013 12:20:50 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Phillyred

And computers really have become appliances, they just don’t need to be upgraded as much as they used to. I’ve got a 6 or 7 year old computer at home that’s been through one round of upgrades that I’m finally probably going to replace outright next spring. It’s only really started showing its age the last 6 to 9 months, some stuff is running slower than I’d like, even then if some people would just make their Flash games less piggy I wouldn’t even be contemplating replacing it now.

The PC bleeding just isn’t as sharp as it used to be.


50 posted on 07/30/2013 12:20:54 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: Revelation 911

If you think Microsoft is marketing to you, the retail customer, then you’ve obviously never been on the business side of the coin.

Microsoft OSes happen to come on most retail computers. That’s not marketing, that’s market share.


51 posted on 07/30/2013 12:22:55 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ShadowAce
LOL! I never do those things.

It's kind of like cleaning your guns, it's all in the fun of owning them!!

and the responsibility

52 posted on 07/30/2013 12:25:15 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve learned Win 8 enough to get around, but I still prefer 7. These additions, or, lets call them what they are, FIXES, to Win 8 will be a very welcome addition!


53 posted on 07/30/2013 12:26:06 PM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: montag813

“I think Windows 8 is great. I don’t get all the whiners” I agree completely.


54 posted on 07/30/2013 12:29:15 PM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Las Vegas Ron

My filesystems don’t even have to tools to perform those manually. It’s all automatic and transparent.


55 posted on 07/30/2013 12:35:16 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Rannug

The whiners could go to whatever flavor of Linux turns their crank, or maybe a Macincrap with it’s conveniently overpriced OS and blingy hardware.

If they are still using Windows of any kind it is because Windows will provide capability and run software that Linux et al won’t. Running Win 8 on a non-touch tech machine? Slap yourself for doing that, load Win 7 or upgrade the machine to touch tech.

In the work I do I’m a poweruser and nothing I use or do would work well, if at all, on the other alternatives. Use the OS that makes you putter flutter and stay away from those terrible Microsoft products; spare the rest of us from your whining.


56 posted on 07/30/2013 12:39:40 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: ShadowAce
..and if I could type....

My filesystems don’t even have the tools to perform those manually. It’s all automatic and transparent.

57 posted on 07/30/2013 12:41:06 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Meh, I have auto defrags but I still manually clean up the clutter...I’m just a hands on kind of guy I guess.


58 posted on 07/30/2013 12:42:03 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: RJS1950
Running Win 8 on a non-touch tech machine? Slap yourself for doing that, load Win 7 or upgrade the machine to touch tech.

Wrong answer, as apparently even MicroSoft is willing to admit.

59 posted on 07/30/2013 12:42:41 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: discostu

Yes, I recognize the symptoms. I see Flash crashes all the time in Chrome.


60 posted on 07/30/2013 12:44:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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