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Day 22 (Week #5) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 10, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/10/2013 5:15:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 10th, is DAY #22 (of 5th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Yesterday began with a boom as defense expert witness, world renowned Dr Vincent Di Maio took to the stand to validate the forensic evidence supporting George Zimmerman’s version of the encounter with Trayvon Martin. However, the day ended with an even bigger THUNDERCLAP in an epic 10pm showdown as Don West took on both the State prosecutors and trial Judge Nelson after the jury was released. Ending with Judge Nelson, turning her back and walking out of court. Unreal. A great analysis of the events from yesterday is available HERE.

The late night argument, not by the State, but by Judge Nelson herself, regarding phone evidence authentication, is so weak and insufferably devoid of legal analysis it is absurd on its face. Then again, this is the same judge who said a few days ago, flippantly in open court, that evidence should be “shredded” (Dr. Bao notes) after use. D’oh

Essentially Nelson argued that the phone records (texts and pics from Trayvon) cannot be authenticated to have originated by the specific personage of Trayvon Martin (despite two security codes) because anyone could have sent them. Whiskey*Tango*Foxtrot !!

How can an email be used in a sex offender case? How can phone records be used in RICO cases? How can GPS evidence be used in Insurance Cases? How are photographs taken by perps used against them? Think about it.

You can’t argue that evidence cannot be admitted because someone else might have made the actual phone call; Someone else might have physically sent the email; Someone else actually accessed the website; Someone else might have been the driver of the car; Or, someone else could possibly have been behind the viewing lens of the camera etc.

No, that argument does not mean you can arbitrarily exclude evidence. And this was the basis for her argument (watch the video).

Sure, that’s an argument which can be presented to the jury by the other side, as a counter point to create doubt with the jury, but it can’t be a reasonable consideration for total evidence exclusion. Then again, this is Judge Nelson – who in multiple prior cases has a high historical propensity of being overruled by the 5th District Court of Appeals.

It should be noted the NAACP Annual National Convention starts in Orlando on Friday; Additionally, preparations are being made in/around Miami-Dade for a Wednesday defense wrapped up with a community/LEO preparation meeting yesterday.


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To: bkepley

I was certain Casey Anthony would be convicted and defense atty was way over-matched.


People here are concerned here about the jury and tend to use the Anthony and Simpson trials as their proof that they should be. Yet in both cases the jury erred in needing more burden of proof on the prosecution satisfied and found “obviously guilty” defendents innocent.

And now we use that as a proof argument that this jury is going to do the exact opposite?

Lets be honest, the defense in this case is far tighter than those two and there simply is NO prosecution case. I think the one commenter on one blog summed it up when she said, and I paraphrase, “normally the prosecution brings its case and the defense tries to poke holes in it, but in this case, even the prosecution’s case has been the defenses case and the prosecution is trying to poke holes in it - even with their own witnesses.

That is way below the bar the prosecution must meet to get past “reasonable doubt”. Saying “well, it COULD HAVE happened such and such a way” is how you try to gain reasonable doubt, not remove it.

This trial is a farce. I’ve seen nothing like it, ever.


1,141 posted on 07/10/2013 10:41:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I can hardly eat, as I am so emotionally involved in this case. I can not imagine what GZ is going through, sitting and listening to motion after motion, that could save him, be denied. His life in shreds, TM dead but untouched. I will not be able to handle verdict watch.


1,142 posted on 07/10/2013 10:41:53 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: onyx; All
What happens when the cops want you to deliver a grand jury summons or have a warrant for your arrest?

I knew our Democrat district judge wanted me to appear at her self appointed grand jury and she was indicting every Republican office holder. I had a town house in a different county and I was there. I asked a police officer in the female judge's county if an officer from that county could come and give me a summons.

He said they would likely give the summons to an officer in the county where my townhouse was, if the original county knew the address, and the cops in the townhouse county would try to deliver it but if there was a locked gate at the entrance to the townhomes, they would not go through it and not deliver the summons. And, if they followed another car in, and no one answered my door, they would not serve the summons. After he told me that, I locked my front door and didn't open it unless I knew who was standing there. That judge had no reason to get me to a grand jury since I knew absolutely nothing illegal a Republican officer holder had done. She did indict four Republican office holders on ridiculous charges, and none of them were found guilty of any crime.

The cop also said, if cops had a warrant for my arrest for a crime, they would get through the gate if they had to climb it or tear it open, and if my door was locked, they would break it down to get me.

I really didn't know what cops did in either of those situations, but now I know.

1,143 posted on 07/10/2013 10:41:55 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: JPX2011

Believe it or not, it has been tried here in Phoenix and the ticket fine is HUGE for faking a 2nd person in the carpool lane.


1,144 posted on 07/10/2013 10:41:59 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: House Atreides

Rush Limbaugh was reading Judicial Watch docs about the DOJ fomenting racial unrest in Fla. on his radio show today. Community organizing in the Injustice Dept.


1,145 posted on 07/10/2013 10:41:59 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: RetSignman

Ok where is LaRaza in all this?


1,146 posted on 07/10/2013 10:42:26 AM PDT by DrewsMum (If the boy was high, Zimmerman gonna fly ---Bob Charles, Twitter)
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To: cuban leaf
was waitin for a comment bout Larry Klayman

this needs to be added....the irs scandal was a joint venture w/ the Surprise Az Tea Party and Klayman who upped it to Jay Sekalo then Landmark Legal

how do I know ?......I was there in it's beginning breath

1,147 posted on 07/10/2013 10:43:02 AM PDT by advertising guy (Phoenix...........where a prick in the butt ain't sexual.............it's a cactus)
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To: don-o

wftv talking head reporting that their commenters are outraged over expert witnesses getting paid.


Like the folks who were outraged that the gun had a chambered bullet.

You are right. The arrogant ignorance of our culture today is really a sight to behold.


1,148 posted on 07/10/2013 10:43:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Judicial Qualification Commission contact information for Florida at post above


1,149 posted on 07/10/2013 10:43:48 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: cuban leaf

>And now we use that as a proof argument that this jury is going to do the exact opposite?

Nope. That’s kind of a straw-man. All I’m saying is that I’ve been wrong before. Oh and about the OJ thing, even though many were saying that OJ was dead meat I thought the prosecutors were terrible and was not suprised at the verdict.


1,150 posted on 07/10/2013 10:43:56 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: advertising guy

Bill S..dummy episode shows how quickly MOM can think on his feet and seize on the moment- probably didnt expect that dummy until closing


1,151 posted on 07/10/2013 10:43:58 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Late reconvening.


1,152 posted on 07/10/2013 10:44:17 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I’m starving so bad my stomach is tryin to swaller my tongue


1,153 posted on 07/10/2013 10:44:17 AM PDT by advertising guy (Phoenix...........where a prick in the butt ain't sexual.............it's a cactus)
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To: advertising guy

Not Larry Klayman, Tom Fitton. Here’s the link:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/bulletins/doj-sends-secret-peacekeepers-where-trayvon-martin-was-killed/


1,154 posted on 07/10/2013 10:44:20 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Hoodat; Mouton
MOM asked for recess. Judge asked jury if they wanted one. They said no. IMO, they have made up their minds already.

Agreed. They also had this same urgency to completion at the close of the prosecution's case before the first defense witness had been called. That would indicate to me that they had already decided on not-guilty (without hearing from the defense) because of the weakness of the prosecution's case. Either that, or the fix is in.

So is today's lunch outside of the courthouse the jury's "Last Supper"?

1,155 posted on 07/10/2013 10:44:31 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: advertising guy

>> mowin and shovelin snow needs to be passed off to yuths

Or I suppose you could move to Phoenix, where there IS no grass or snow. ;-)


1,156 posted on 07/10/2013 10:44:49 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Eva

No doubter.....this nation is officially in a race war thanks to BHO.


1,157 posted on 07/10/2013 10:45:05 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

I wish GZ would have not called 911, walked right up to TM and capped him.


That’s the part the prosecution doesn’t get. Who would call 911, ask for police, give directions, if all they had to do was just that and flee the scene.


1,158 posted on 07/10/2013 10:45:31 AM PDT by patriotspride
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1:44

From WFTV blog:

Moniluv @Moniluv2009 Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

@KBelichWFTV & @VanessaEchols - I’m hearing bus loads of folks r coming in 4 the verdict. I pray that things are peaceful #zimmermantrial


1,159 posted on 07/10/2013 10:45:40 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Marcella
Your work looks like your hair.

Since mine has all abandoned ship, (the lousy traitors), does that mean I get to retire?

1,160 posted on 07/10/2013 10:45:40 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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