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Unable to pay for husband's funeral, Apple Valley woman allegedy buries him in backyard
presstelegram ^ | 06/21/2013 | Beatriz E. Valenzuela

Posted on 06/21/2013 7:33:40 AM PDT by JoeProBono

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To: grania

LOL. sounds like my mother-in-law. she was a hoot. tall, slender, could have been a model....but was a high school gym teacher for 30 years. we KNOW she is dead because she would have raised holy hell at what we had to pay for a coffin. my dear stepFIL drove what was left of her in a shoebox. my husband and his brother kept out a bit in a test tube...one for each family. Our girls (young at the time) took turns holding that testtube the whole 3-hr drive home. child #1 kept shaking it...swearing something chunky was in there. we said it was probably part of her gold tooth. child #2 kept yelling, “stop shaking grandma!”. she would have loved it. we were/are so tacky and classless. she was a recovering alcoholic the last 30 years of her life; naturally, we placed that testtube in the liquor cabinet and told her to have at it. :P


101 posted on 06/21/2013 11:50:17 AM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: mass55th

I think there is some confusion...you want to cremate your cats with you?


102 posted on 06/21/2013 11:52:38 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"I think there is some confusion...you want to cremate your cats with you?"

LOL! No, the cats are already dead and in their own little boxes...just gathering dust.

103 posted on 06/21/2013 12:04:38 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

“LOL! No, the cats are already dead and in their own little boxes...just gathering dust.”

Now I’m confused...you have boxes of dead cat lying around?


104 posted on 06/21/2013 12:12:31 PM PDT by mikemoose (Pray for the Unborn)
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To: mikemoose

Dead and cremated already. I just figure it’ll be easier for my kids to dump all the ashes at the same time.


105 posted on 06/21/2013 12:25:00 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Show me where Scripture permits cremation.


106 posted on 06/21/2013 12:28:16 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: mass55th

Whew!


107 posted on 06/21/2013 1:08:53 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Show me where Scripture permits cremation.”

1 Samuel 31:12
(King James Version)
All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.

Show me where Scripture prohibits cremation.


108 posted on 06/21/2013 1:09:54 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

The next day, when the Philistines came to strip the dead, they found Saul and his three sons fallen on Mount Gilboa. They cut off his head and stripped off his armor, and they sent messengers throughout the land of the Philistines to proclaim the news in the temple of their idols and among their people. “They put his armor in the temple of the Ashtoreths and fastened his body to the wall of Beth Shan.”

You forget this part? The philistines defiled Saul’s body.

Is that all you’ve got? The Jews burning the body of their king after he’d been defiled?


109 posted on 06/21/2013 1:12:58 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: treetopsandroofs

“show me where Scripture prohibits cremation.”

I’m sorry it doesn’t work that way. You have to show where scripture permits cremation.

It’s one thing to argue that a christian burial isn’t right, it’s quite another to get from there to saying, ‘cremation is a-ok’. No, no, it’s not.

In fact, if we look at your passage, cremation was intended to remove the defilement.


110 posted on 06/21/2013 1:14:28 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: JCBreckenridge

This is getting ridiculous.

It does work this way.

You’ve chosen not to accept what I say.

I’ve respected your belief, but do not agree with it.

Others here have also agreed the Bible permits creation.

Goodbye.


111 posted on 06/21/2013 1:19:31 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Cremation, not creation.


112 posted on 06/21/2013 1:20:07 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: ZinGirl
Ahhh....you do bring back memories. My parents could best be described as occasionally recovering alcoholics who were only happy together when they were drunk.

Dad's ashes are buried in a corner of mom's gravesite. I'm thinking maybe he should be moved to a liquor cabinet. <^..^>

The thing about that wild ride being brought up is it isn't always bad. There's a lot of chaos but a lot of freedom from caring what people think.

113 posted on 06/22/2013 5:13:09 AM PDT by grania
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To: cuban leaf

Tracing through paperwork, I suppose.

We had to have a beloved cat put down. After the *deed* was done, I told the vet That we brought a cardboard box with an old flannel shirt, the cat used to love to nap on.

At that moment, he told us about the law....and the *shock and awe* on our faces must have convinced him to say *Okay, okay...I’m going in my office to make a few phone calls; all anybody needs to know, is that I left the euthanized cat on the table ...left the room...and when I went back....the cat was gone. I’m sure the back door to the office was open.

We hugged him, and left with the cat. God bless that guy.


114 posted on 06/22/2013 9:13:36 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I don’t see where God specifies cremation isn’t allowed. If so there’s a whole lot of people who’ve been burned to death who would have no hope. Not to mention during war where large number of bodies dropped and they burned them for sanitary reasons.

There’s nothing there but a shell..the spirit is gone...the person isn’t here anymore.

I’d rather know a body is “dust”...than slowly rotting away with bugs and worms about in the ground.


115 posted on 06/23/2013 2:23:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: JCBreckenridge

We won’t be having the same bodies..not even close...Christ was dead 3 days ... “stinketh”.... you can be sure His was a “Glorified Body” resurrected...so too will ours.


116 posted on 06/23/2013 2:29:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: JCBreckenridge
People did do some strange and quirky things then... and there were many unbiblical things they did totally out of a pagan mindset which they brought into the church body at that time....even though they claimed Christianity. In fact some religions claiming Christianity do so even today. Mormons do surrogate baptism for the dead...ew.......as an example. A Body once dead...is just that...no life in it. That's gone.
117 posted on 06/23/2013 2:36:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: JCBreckenridge

....”cremation cannot prevent a sovereign God from calling forth the dead at the end of time”..

Billy Graham


118 posted on 06/23/2013 2:45:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: ZinGirl

My mom would have had a kissy fit too...she was cremated and had her urn picked out as well..and burial site...but my sister couldn’t stand the idea of no casket...so her urn was placed in a casket....but then you have to have a cement vault in our state for the casket...so that too was included....the expensive would have staggered my mom..not to mention her request was not honored.


119 posted on 06/23/2013 2:52:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

‘’It would seem to me that in the churches I visited in the Soviet Union, and there are thousands of them, services are allowed to go on freely,’’

— Billy Graham


120 posted on 06/23/2013 3:04:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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