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I see you're still busy erecting imposing walls of text to try and browbeat others into submission. Well, I won't submit, Fogblower. Not ever. Want to know why? If you really had a case, you could make it in fifty words or less. The more words you bash out, the more obvious it is to anyone watching, that there's no 'there' there, in your argument.

You're full of it.

If I made an argument "in fifty words or less," you'd claim that was all the evidence I had.

You're nothing but a total, absolute phony. You can't refute any of the words of our early legal authorities and Founding Fathers. You can't refute any of the arguments.

And you'll never acknowledge the words of those Founding Fathers and legal authorities. The truth is, in any REAL terms, you despise our Founding Fathers and early legal authorities, because they refute all your BS.

All you can do is sit and call names like a 3-year-old. I'd call that pretty pathetic.

If I made an argument "in fifty words or less," you'd claim that was all the evidence I had.

This, incidentally, is part of the MO of a scumbag Constitution-twisting birther.

No evidence is ever good enough. There's nothing that anyone could possibly present that would be "good enough."

If you present a short argument, that's not enough evidence. If you present a longer, more detailed argument that comprehensively refutes BS after BS after BS, that's no good because it has "too many words."

If you point out that our courts, including the US Supreme Court, have ruled absolutely against the "two citizen parent" claim, those rulings are "wrong," or they didn't say what they actually do say.

If you point out that virtually all of our legal experts throughout history, including legendary Supreme Court Justices, our most highly esteemed legal experts, authors of comprehensive studies of our Constitution, authorities quoted by the US Supreme Court, and major conservative Constitutional law foundations absolutely contradict their BS claim, then they'll say all of that is just "crap evidence" (DiogenesLamp's exact words) - and then claim that the opinion of an absolutely obscure little judge who presided over several counties and had nothing to do with national law is the REAL authority.

If you point out that virtually all of history and law is against their theory, that "natural born citizen" historically NEVER meant what they claim, then they'll say you have to start with the THEORY of "what would the Founders do," rather than look at the FACT of what those Founders actually DID.

So it's all BS. BS with a capital B, and a capital S.

Because the entire birther Constitutional doctrine is BS. That's all it is.

All you can do is sit and call names like a 3-year-old. I'd call that pretty pathetic.

Fogblower, you've been given lots of elbow room and civil respect on this forum - by me, and many others. I've patiently explained my thinking and made my case to you many times, using quotes from the Constitution, rational arguments, and essays by excellent thinkers on the subject.

When all that failed, I appealed to your sense of logic to get you to see my point, by posing a question which would lead you to discover the Framers' wisdom for yourself.

You rejected all of that. Instead of quietly and studiously considering the thoughtful arguments presented to you, you responded with walls of copypasta and spittle-laden diatribes worthy of a Wall Street lawyer who's losing the biggest case of his career.

And you haven't just treated me that way. That's been your behavior with everyone you've debated this issue with at FR. Frankly, it's simply a waste of time to continue going round and round in circles with you.

You've got your viewpoint, we know what it is, and there's little else to be said about it. We disagree. I, for one, am not interested in continuing to throw my valuable time away by talking to a fence post.

If I respond to anything you say on the subject from this point forward, expect nothing but dismissiveness, derision, and ridicule. You've more than earned it here.