[BroJoeK]

INVAR post #16: "Since we would not fight when the cost would have been bloodless, we are arrived at a point where we will have to fight a futile attempt to preserve our own lives, or live as slaves."

Jacquerie post #18: "Tell me what war will accomplish."

INVAR post #20: "It TOOK WAR to establish our liberty from tyrants.
It will TAKE WAR to preserve what is left of our liberty from tyrants."

Any talk of war today is as foolish as it was when Fire Eaters proposed secession and war in 1860 -- as their answer to protecting their most valued "peculiar institution".

It didn't work then -- instead accomplished the just the opposite.
It won't work now.
A different, lawful peaceful, course must be found.

[central_va]

When we are standing in in the pouring rain waiting for our daily bowl of fish eye soup in the FedGov Socialization and Reeducation Camp No. 23, will that be a good time to discuss “other than peaceful” means?

[INVAR]

Good luck with that. There is no example in all written human history of such a thing happening.

Or - to quote John Adams - “Liberty lost, is lost forever”.

War will be the last freedom this people have in determining their fate, either at the hands of a genocidal state - or because they resisted the genocidal state.

Such is history.

One we were warned would happen to us by both scripture and the Founders.

[Jacquerie]

Team Obama would love nothing more than a rural uprising. For once, he would use legitimate Constitutional power to suppress rebellion. Recall recent stories of misunderstood urban yutes? There is his reserve army that would love to bash white heads. My point here is that armed resistance would be gleefully put down in the harshest manner. Survivors should expect permanent summer camp run by the Black Panthers.

As Mark Levin regularly reminds us, reform will not emerge from Washington. If we are to peacefully save what remains of our freedoms and regain what was lost, it is time for the States to call an Article V Constitutional Convention. If Congress does not head it off on its own to consider a single amendment, repeal of the 17th, we have little to lose. Our consolidated government ignores our unalienable rights, separation of powers and is arming itself to put down mass confrontation. If Congress ignores the threat and the States convene a convention, we risk no more than where we are already headed, a consolidated government of unlimited powers bent on creating a perfect social justice Utopian hell.

We have the means to save our society and lives; means that were not available in 1775. Let’s use them. Together, with the help of God, we just might save these United States.