The Lie that Won’t Die: the USS Liberty Attack Slander, Continued

The Times of Israel Blog via RealClearHistory.com ^ | 02/22/2013 | Robert Werdine

[rmlew]

Israel did not want the U.S. to know that Israel initiated the conflict with Egypt, but was claiming Israel was attacked first. Israel was appealing to the U.S. for military aid but did not think the U.S. would support them if the conflict was instigated and initiated by Israel.
But everyone knew this and we had SATELLITES and other SigInt.

If the Liberty was sunk and the attack blamed on Egyptians, the U.S. would be more likely to support Israel in the conflict since a U.S. ship had been sunk by the "Egyptians."
Israel had the ability to sink it and didn't. And no onw does a false flag operation using jets and boats flying their own flag!

Israel was killing civilians and trying to hide this fact by taking out an NSA platform that could reveal those details.
Double conspiracy and lie, not supported by any evidence.

I do know is it is pretty hard to mistake an American vessel.
Is that a joke? America was supposed to have no ships in the area. Soviet intelligence trawlers look similar.

[rmlew]

Israel took on the Soviet proxy-Arab nationalists. Egypt and Syria were the United Arab Republic. This northern territory had already attacked Israel with ground forces. But Israel was somehow widening the conflict by invading it, and to do so was willing to risk attacking a US ship.

Is that a conspiracy theory, or a mockery of conspiracy theories? It's hard to tell.

[Little Ray]

At the time we were NOT Israel’s friend. We had embargoed the Israelis for any weapon purchases. The Suez Crisis actually had the US and USSR pitted against the Israelis, French and Brits in negotiations over the Suez canal.

[Ditto]

At the time we were NOT Israel’s friend. We had embargoed the Israelis for any weapon purchases.

Both statements are untrue. The US and Israel had friendly relations before the 67 war. And there was no US arms embargo against Israel then. Prior to 1967, we sold them lots of weapons as we also sold weapons to Egypt In both cases, it was primarily "defensive" type weaponry.

The US was not the primary supplier to either however. Most advanced offensive Israeli weapons came from France and the UK, and most advanced Egyptian weapons were from the Soviets and East Block countries.

The Israelis relied on French Mirage war planes and British Centurion tanks while the Egyptians and Syrians had Mig fighters and Russian T-54 tanks.

[Repeat Offender]

I didn't say Israel did a false flag. I didn't say Israel started the conflict. I said theories that were going around was Israel started the conflict, but claimed Egypt fired first. Further, the Israelis certainly did a good job of destroying the life boats.

So far as your double conspiracy statement - the only evidence that I know of is the Israelis fired on an American ship.

Is that a joke? America was supposed to have no ships in the area. Soviet intelligence trawlers look similar.

I'm guessing you're an A-10 Warthog pilot and think the regime Iraqi Army had Amphibious Assault Vehicles outside An Nasariyah.

I'm guessing the U.S. flag that was flying looks like a Soviet Flag too.

Further, the Israelis never claimed the Liberty looked like a Soviet ship......they claimed they mistook it for an Egyptian ship that only resembled the Liberty in as much it floats in water.

Me personally, I wish Israel would've completely destroyed Egypt and broken the surviving muzzie bastards' will to live. I get fed up with the blame Israel first crowd (Hagel et al); however, that said, it does NOT mean that we can't ask legitimate questions and claim Israel can never do anything wrong. It does not negate the fact Israel attacked an American vessel that was clearly identifiable and marked as an American vessel. It does not negate the fact that the Liberty in no way resembles the Egyptian ship the Israelis claimed to have mistaken it for.

[familyop]

Conspiracy mongers of obvious affiliation have been encouraged to appeal to emotional responses in the thread. Let’s see if the same latitude is allowed for us patriotic Americans and our real allies.

If this were an Arab child, it would be flashed around the world
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2992330/posts

[Little Ray]

Yep. I am definitely wrong.
France had the embargo.
But the US and USSR did work together to counter Israel, France, and the UK in the Suez Crisis.
And the (communist infested) State Department was strongly opposed to offensive Israeli action. The Israelis had a lot to hide at the time, including the fact that they initiated the war.
So I am sticking with the possibility that the Israelis were trying to prevent intelligence from leaking before they accomplished their objectives. That is a heck of lot more believable than the the IAF mistaking the Liberty for the El Quseir.

http://www.newislander.com/ports/2010/01/unveiling_the_attack_on_the_uss_liberty/diagram.jpg

http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/img_1.jpg

The fact that we didn’t respond violently is good proof of our friendship with Israel.

[Little Ray]

Yep. I am definitely wrong.
France had the embargo.
But the US and USSR did work together to counter Israel, France, and the UK in the Suez Crisis.
And the (communist infested) State Department was strongly opposed to offensive Israeli action. The Israelis had a lot to hide at the time, including the fact that they initiated the war.
So I am sticking with the possibility that the Israelis were trying to prevent intelligence from leaking before they accomplished their objectives. That is a heck of lot more believable than the the IAF mistaking the Liberty for the El Quseir.

http://www.newislander.com/ports/2010/01/unveiling_the_attack_on_the_uss_liberty/diagram.jpg

http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/img_1.jpg

The fact that we didn’t respond violently is good proof of our friendship with Israel.

[Ditto]

But the US and USSR did work together to counter Israel, France, and the UK in the Suez Crisis.

Not really. The Soviets were attempting at that time to gain influence in the Mideast. The US was trying to block them and eventually replace Britian and France who were both hated amoung Arab nationalists as colonial powers as the lead influence in the mideast. And it was all about oil.

Also don't forget that the Soviets threatened to nuke London, Paris and Isreal during the crisis which would have set off WW III. Probably an idle threat, but no one knew for sure at that time. Keep in mind, the Suez Crisis was going on against the backdrop of the Soviet invasion of Hungary.

It really had nothing to do with Commies in the State Dept. Eisenhower himself called all the shots.

The Israelis had a lot to hide at the time, including the fact that they initiated the [1967] war.

Israel freely admits firing the first shots. But they knew damn well from their Intel operations that Eqypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq were ready to attack them in a matter of hours or days. We knew it too. It was a gun fight and Israel was quicker on the draw. The attack on the Liberty happened several days after the war began. Any intel they may have had on initiating hostilities would have already been reported.

[Little Ray]

Okay, but it is still more believable than the IAF mistaking the USS Liberty for the El Quseir.

[Ditto]

Okay, but it is still more believable than the IAF mistaking the USS Liberty for the El Quseir.

Did you know that during the 1956 Suez 'Crisis' the IAF shot the hell out of a British ship? Look it up.

War is hell and 'friendly fire' is always a possibilty, especially in very close quarters as exist in that part of the world.

[SunkenCiv]

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[wardaddy]

The amount of ignorance on this thread is just astounding

The ship has flying their parade flag

Very large flag

They strafed sailors in the water

A prolonged repeated bloody sailor killing on purpose plastered with USA insignia

That is indisputable

Why Israel never explained why and we never pushed it is telling but why

The ship was scrapped immediately

Hushed up and pushed down the memory hike

Why who knows

Hell yes it was deliberate but why

I have listened to hours of testimony from survivors

The crew were paid a pittance I think 2000 each to families

A travesty hushed up

No question they knew who they were attacking or at least what flag etc the ship was flying or displaying

If Israel is so omnipotent intelligence wise how did this “mistake” happen

The excuses here for Israel is usually end times gang that always does this

Hagee acolytes

They strafed men at slow speed and at deck level and torpedoed the ship more than once

Some missed

Listen to survivor accounts

Israel is not infalliable sorry to break it to folks here