How about making the distinction between a marriage in a church and a gay marriage in a church. This guy needs to go away. He always has a reason to act liberal.
Gay relationships have been legal in practice for quite some time. What I want is to keep gay marriages from being recognized by the state as legitimate, legally binding, ad equal to true marriage. No good comes of a lie, and we cannot lie to homosexuals and tell them their unions are good and equal to real marriage.
Auguries are back ~
A fathead who has been married three times (cheated on his two previous wives with the next spouse) should not be commenting on marriage.
For generations, we have given the State the power to create artificial persons, in the form of corporations, foundations, trusts and the like. Nobody is confused by this government-defined fiction. We know that a corporation is not a real human person. Where the left has a problem is where the Supreme Court has ruled, in Citizens United, that such “persons” have the right of free speech.
Another government-defined fiction that we have allowed for generations is that the State can also define “marriage” and who is “married” and who is not. But marriage predates any State because it is God who defines and defends marriage, not the State. Indeed, any “marriage” a State defines is just as much as legal fiction as when it tells us that a corporation is a “person” that has freedom of speech.
The State attempts to force us to recognize its power. One way is to presume the power to define who is married and who is not. We cede this power in part because we allow the State to tax incomes and estates. To administer such taxing power, the State must define who it considers to be “married” and who is not. Just as when it defines a corporation to be a “person”, as silly as this would be to God, the State does not hesitate to define anyone it pleases as being “married”, totally apart from how God would define them.
Jesus, who was recognized as a prophet by all three monotheistic religions, is quoted in Matthew chapter 19 that from the beginning of humanity, it was God’s intent that marriage would only be one man and one woman. Scripture in many ways and places also tells us that God defines sexual morality and that people who refuse to practice that His morality simply do not qualify for His freely given gift of eternal life. (for example, see Ephesians chapter 5). Of course, people are free to believe whatever they want, but that does not change what God clearly said to us.
If you review the arguments advanced by supporters of same-sex marriage (like at HRC.ORG), you will find that many of them are related to taxation, inheritance and medical issues. But existing law addresses those and any defects in the law can be easily repaired apart from the issue of “marriage”.
I don’t want a government that can tell me what I may or may not do in the privacy of my own home or relationships. In a secular Constitutional Republic with a provision that prohibits Congress from making any law respecting religion, I have to allow others to have their own beliefs and morality. I can only be an advocate for the morality and beliefs that I think are true. I take my understanding of sexual morality from Scripture and that is where I learn that God considers sodomy to be an abomination to Him.
If a State decides that two (or more) people can marry, if that is all that happened, I could live with that because I don’t have to approve, change my beliefs or what beliefs I pass on to my children.
However, once gays and their supporters have sufficient influence with a State to redefine marriage, they don’t stop there. They use the State to forbid me from acting on my morality and beliefs. In fact, the State in some cases forces me to accommodation in their practices.
If I have children in public school, the State will insist on teaching them that gay marriage is just as normal as the God’s marriage. You will be sanctioned as a parent if you attempt to remove your child from such indoctrination.
If you run a business that could provide services to the public, you will be sanctioned if you decline to treat gays as non-gays. For example, if you run a wedding photography business, you will be sanctioned if you decline to photograph a gay wedding. This has already happened in California and New Mexico [1].
You may lose control of your own property. [2]
In short, gays will demand that non-gays accept them as moral equals, which they are not and cannot be. When the State says they are equal it is forbidden for a private citizen to dissent from that status. In doing so, they seek to force me to give them approval for something that I will never approve of. It is that last point that galls gays the most.
Curiously, when advocates of gay marriage are asked if their policy also would allow polygamy or polyandry, they recoil in horror and insist that it does not. However, logic demands that it does. I would ask how same-sex parents are going to react in the future when, for example, Utah public schools officials require that teachers instruct the children that LDS-related polygamy is just as “normal” as same-sex “marriage”. The fact that this will be an issue will show yet again that gay “marriage” is not about marriage at all it is about forcing the rest of us to approve of repugnant sexual immorality, something that LDS polygamists never demanded.
[1] Refusing To Shoot Gay Marriage Is Discrimination, Says New Mexico Appeals Court
http://www.popphoto.com/news/2012/06/refusing-to-shoot-gay-marriage-discrimination-says-new-mexico-appeals-court
[2] Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-rules-christian-facility-cannot-ban-same-sex-civil-union-ceremony-on
There is a difference between recognizing that we seem to be losing the fight, and giving up the fight because it is politically unpopular.
Gingrich is saying that we should adopt policies because they are politically popular. By that argument, if people all support abortion, we should support it, and if people all want to raise taxes on business, we should support it, and if they want to ban handguns, we should support it.
I am quite willing to recognize that in a democracy, we are at the whim of the majority for many things. But I refuse to accept the popular thing simply because it is popular.
It’s called “Holy Matrimony” Mr Catholic Newt.
The only ‘reality’ I know is you are a POS Gingrich. How could we possibly exist without all you wonderful pundits telling how to think and act.
The GOP is different from the Left how?
Gingrich needs to be drummed out of the GOP, and I hope the Pope excommunicates him. I’m sorry I ever thought about voting for him.
Another secularist afraid to fight the social issues. This is why he is not a serious candidate.
Pray for America
Sorry Newt, I do not accommodate perverts.
Newt is dead to me. This is the kind of stupid acquiesce to liberalism that is destroying this culture. First gay unions are not and never been at least not in recent history been illegal. That is just a lie even though it is fully within the power of government to make them illegal as they do with polygamus and other relationships however the government not licensing gay marriage does not make it illegal. The pernicious core of the argument of “marraige equality” is an attack on reason and at its heart is the same path to big govt and bad logic that is driving this nation into the path of sure oblivion.
A gay relationship is not the same as a heterosexual one. The equality argument is one that has at its core the committment to a fictional androgenous society and a moral equivalence society where because some one feels some way that reality must be suspended for their sake. Endorsement of gay marriage by government does not stop there as we have seen in state after state. It then becomes the states purpose to promote it and to suppress any expression of negativity or noncompliance to gay propaganda. Catholic churches must adopt children to Homosexuals or stop adopting. Churches must hire gay employees or face fines. Parents must conceed to gay activism in schools or face imprisonment and the loss of their children. Students at colleges and professors already face an unbelievable level of discrimination if they dare publish or express sentiments not in line with the “marriage equality” fiction.
This is the brave new world of big PC government support of gay marriage will produce.
It doesn’t matter that homosexuality is a destructive lifestyle. It doesn’t matter that it is biologically inncorrect and is inherently damaging to the heritability of the human organism. It doesn’t matter that homosexual men in particular not only report a greater incidence of being abused as children but also have a greater incidence of being sexual abusers not just of children but of other adults than the heterosexual population. It doesn’t matter that most who experiment with homosexuality don’t ultimately choose to lead the homosexual lifestyle. Also it doesn’t matter that at the core of the homosexual lifestyle is an afront to common decency in their parades, their events of which there is an overt sexual obscenity and a tolerance for the extreme and even grooming and coercion into the lifestyle and a focus on young men.
What this is is an errosion of reason and some may think that just letting this go will be of no consequence but it most certainly will be just as the invitation of open homosexuality in the military we be. At the heart it is a turning over of the definition of family and the military to the left and they will move the needle further and further their way with new trumped up emotional distresses into the land of further politically correct irrationality to the point where they will excercise such an iron grip that you wont dare speak up to oppose them even when they move on to norm even more radical, irrational, and obscene ideas.
Newt has it wrong. He seems to believe we must throw in the towel and just let the left remake the definition of family, the definition of church, the definition of the military and that it will not further shift everything against our cause of individual liberty. A person who accepts the illogic of “marriage equality” will certainly have no problem accepting all the other tenants of the progressive left because they all have a foundation of trumping up fictional rights to transform society into one where the individual can not exist without government to tell them what they can earn, how they can live, and ultimately what is right to think. There is no room for neautrality. If you care about protecting liberty we can not surrender on “social issues” because it is the deconstruction of those social issues like the definition of family and correct behavior that is directly fueling the fiscal woes of this nation. The New Normal is a normal where no man or women can or even want to live independent of the Govt pryor which while it indulges the deviant and the broken and remakes society to serve them it will be the hard working traditional American that will suffer while being made to fit the bill.
Newt should know the reasons gays were proscribed by Moses, allegedly speaking for G*d, were as follows:
1. Gays can’t create children, and society depends on children for existence. This production of children is why society gives benefits to married heterosexual couples.
2. Gays are a source of diseases, spread widely and diligently by both gays and bisexuals, thus being a source of bacterial, viral and parasitic diseases to the non-gay majority.
3. Given the prevalent predisposition to sex with boys, and the resulting sexual confusions/issues/problems created by such “relationships”, a society depending on marriage to produce children who are well acculturated, must not conflate “gay” marriage” with a real, functional marriage between a man and a woman.
I’m thankful to see many people on FR coming to their senses. I seem to recall that, only a year ago, this site was pushing Newt Gingrich for President. There was a minority of us who warned against the Finger-In-The-Wind, opportunistic Newt and we were bashed and denigrated.